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And Then There Were Few

                                             Like the Vets from the second world war, the men who played baseball for the Brooklyn Dodgers and the New York Giants, have their numbers grow smaller every year. At this point in time, only four players who played in Brooklyn remain alive. Bob Aspromonte, Jim Gentile, Fred Kipp and Sandy Koufax. Carl Erskine passed in April of 2024, and Tommy Brown passed away in January. Kipp is the oldest of the four at 93, he turns 94 in October.

                                            Koufax of course debuted in 1955. He was a bonus baby, so the team had to keep him on the MLB roster for two years. Many believe this stunted his development. His first six seasons were mediocre at best. His next six propelled him into the Hall of Fame. 3 Cy Youngs, an MVP, 2 World Series MVP’s, four no-hitters including a perfect game, setting a World Series record with 15 strikeouts against the Yankees. 2 shutouts in the 65 World Series. Set a MLB record for strikeouts in a season with 382. Still the most by a left-handed pitcher, plus he struck out 18 batters in a game twice. And with some apologies to Kershaw fans, still the pitcher I would want on the mound in a must win game 7.

                                            Fred Kipp debuted with Brooklyn in 1957. It was more like hi, how are you. He pitched in 1 game going 4 innings allowing 4 runs on 6 hits. He came back in 1958 and had his best season with a 6-6 record in 40 games. He pitched 2 scoreless innings for the 1959 team and then was traded to the Yankees for Dick Sanders and Gordon Windhorn. His stay with New York was short, he pitched in 4 games and was sent down to AAA. He pitched there in 61-62 and then retired from baseball at the age of 30. 

                                           Bob Aspromonte also debuted in 1957. His cup of coffee lasted just 1 game also. He returned to the team in 1960 and played in 21 games. He played in 47 games in 1961. He was exposed to the expansion draft and was selected by the Houston Colt-45s. He played 7 years with Houston posting a .258 average. He then spent 2 years with the Braves and finished his career with a 1-year stint with the Mets. His brother, Ken, also played in the majors. He played for 7 years with 6 different teams.

                                          Jim Gentile, a first baseman, got into 4 games with the Dodgers in 1957. He was 1-6 and his only hit was a home run. He got into 12 games with the 58 team and hit just .133. With Gil Hodges and Norm Larker, already on the major league roster, and Ron Fairly in the minors, LA traded him to the Orioles in October of 1959 for Willie Miranda and minor leaguer, Bill Lajoie. Lajoie never made it out of AAA, and Miranda retired and never played a game for LA. Gentile on the other hand, spent 4 of his 9 years in the majors with the O’s, crushing 124 homers for them with a career best, 46 and 141 RBIs in 1961. He never reached those heights again, and finished his career with stints in Kansas City, Houston and Cleveland.

                                           There are six players still living who played for the Giants in New York. Joey Amalfitano has ties to the Dodgers. Amalfitano, like Koufax was a bonus baby. Joey was born in 34. The other five are Jackie Brandt,1934, Ray Crone,1931, Joe Margoneri,1930, Bill White, 1934 and Al Worthington, 1929. Brandt played 11 years in the majors but did not blossom until he was traded to the Orioles. Crone was originally signed by the Braves but pitched his last 2 years for the Giants.

                                         Margoneri lasted just 2 years in the majors with the Giants. Bill White broke in with the Giants in 1956 hitting .256 with 22 homers, but he spent 1957 in the military. He was then traded after the 1958 season to the Cardinals. Al Worthington debuted with the Giants in 1953. He stayed with them for 6 years. LA fans will remember him with the Twins during the 1965 World Series.

                                          Joey Amalfitano spent close to two years riding the bench because he was a bonus baby. He did get into 36 games in 1955. He did not make it back to the Giants until 1960. He ended up playing 10 years in the majors, then he went into coaching. He was an interim manager of the Cubs twice, and then their manager for the 1981 season. After he left, he joined the Dodgers coaching staff in 1983 under Lasorda and remained there until 1998 when he retired.

                                        Jackie Brandt was signed by the Cardinals in 1953. He was with them in 1956 when he, along with Red Schoendienst, Dick Littlefield and Bill Salmi, were traded to the Giants for Al Dark, Ray Katt, Whitey Lockman and cash. Cardinals later sent 2 minor leaguers to the Giants to complete the trade. He did well for the Giants hitting .299 in his only year in New York. He missed 57 because of military service and then played the 58-59 seasons with the Giants in SF. He was traded in November of 59 to the Orioles for former Dodger, Billy Loes and LHP Billy O’Dell. He played with Baltimore for 6 years with a .258 average. He finished his career with stints in Philadelphia and Houston.

                                     Ray Crone, originally signed by the Braves, was traded to the New York Giants at the deadline in 1957, along with Bobby Thompson and Danny O’Connell for Red Schoendienst. He pitched parts of 5 seasons in the majors. His best two seasons were with the Braves in 55-56 when he won 10 and then 11 games. He retired after the 1961 season having spent his last 3 years in the minors.

                                     Margoneri had by far the shortest career in the majors of any of these guys, just 2 seasons, both with the Giants. He had a 7-7 record in his two stints in New York. He pitched until 1960 when he finished his baseball career in the Mexican League. He had an overall minor league record of 88-52.

                                     Bill White had a 13-year career in the majors, most of it with the Cardinals. Although he showed well in his debut with the New York Giants, when he returned from military service for the 1959 season, the Giants had two power hitting first basemen ahead of him, Orlando Cepeda, and Willie McCovey.  So, the Giants shipped him to the Cardinals, who had an aging Stan Musial and Whitey Lockman as their first basemen for Don Choate and Sam Jones, also sent to St. Louis was 3rd baseman, Ray Jablonski. White flourished in St. Louis and was part of the 64-championship team. He hit .298 as a Red Bird then finished his career with the Phillies. His career was good enough to earn some Hall of Fame votes. He also was President of the NL for five years. 

                                  Al Worthington joined the Giants in 1953; two of his 4 wins were by shutout. After that he did not have much success and spent 1955 back in AAA. He came back to stay in 1956 but now was used mostly in relief or as a spot starter. He moved with the Giants to San Francisco in 1958. He was traded in March of 1960 to the Red Sox for Jim Marshall, a first baseman. Boston then sent him to the White Sox after 6 games. He then was drafted in the rule 5 draft by the Reds. In June of 1964, he was purchased by the Twins and would finish his career there. He pitched against the Dodgers in the 1965 World Series, allowing 1 unearned run in his 4 innings on the mound.  That run came in game 4, a 7-2 loss for the Twins. 

                              These 10 players are the last link to the Brooklyn Dodger-New York Giants era. When they are gone, only fans who saw the teams play at the Polo Grounds and Ebbets Field will remember who they were. Oh, we can read about them but actually seeing them play was special 

Michael Norris

Born June 14th, 1948, in Los Angeles California. AKA The Bear

Born June 14th, 1948, in Los Angeles California. AKA The Bear

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Jeff Dominique
Admin
24 days ago

I needed to take a mental health night before we take off in the AM. So I chose not to write up on any of the MiLB games. All four affiliates lost as did the Arizona Complex League rookie team.  Wrobleski had a good 5.0 innings. Garrett McDaniels and Alexis Diaz pitched well in relief. Edgardo Henriquez and Jack Little not so much.

I will be checking in with some draft posts. But this year I do plan on getting back to reading and drinking wine in the balcony overlooking the pool.

Sam Oyed
Sam Oyed
24 days ago
Reply to  Jeff Dominique

Safe travels. Any favorite winery?

Jeff Dominique
Admin
24 days ago
Reply to  Sam Oyed

My wife never misses Korbel. And I always hit Kendall Jackson for the food and wine pairing. I find KJ’s red wines excellent. But then we go to a bunch of different ones. We went to Far Niente in Napa Valley last year, and that was excellent. We usually hit up the locals for their favorites. Some are great choices, some not so much to our liking.

philjones
philjones
24 days ago
Reply to  Jeff Dominique

I’m a fan of the Kendall Jackson Chardonnay.

Jeff Dominique
Admin
24 days ago
Reply to  philjones

My wife buys that or the Riesling from Kendall Jackson. We have lots of family and friends who will drink those, while nobody in my family or friends drink red.

Sam Oyed
Sam Oyed
24 days ago
Reply to  Jeff Dominique

One of my favorite reds is the Cabernet Sauvignon from Sequoia Grove winery.

Bradley Lawton
Bradley Lawton
24 days ago

You all still comfortable with May as are fifth starter in a playoff series. Then getting a veteran at the trade deadline. I’m sure not. Wouldn’t a Sonny Gray look nice in that spot, or a Mitch Keller look good, or even a Seth Lugo. Then have May in the bullpen like the three headed monster of Yates May and Scott to close games.

Jeff Dominique
Admin
24 days ago
Reply to  Bradley Lawton

You are starting with a false narrative. Dustin May was never going to be in the playoff rotation. With Glasnow and Snell in the rotation and Ohtani ramping up, it is doubtful that May will be in the LAD rotation again.

Sonny Gray is 35 years old and has a full no trade which he says he is not going to waive. He is from Smyrna, Tennessee and wants to stay in the Midwest. He might be willing to waive his no-trade to other Midwest teams, but at the very least, he would probably require the team trading for him to guarantee his 2027 $30MM club option. His contract next year is guaranteed at $35MM. Not everybody wants to play for the Dodgers or pitch in LA. Gray is not going to get traded to LAD. The Dodgers are not going to pay a 36 year old pitcher 2 years and $65MM.

Mitch Keller has never played for a team that reached the playoffs, much less pitch in one. 0 playoff games, 0 playoff IP. Which one of Yamamoto, Glasnow, Snell, Kershaw, or Ohtani do you plan on putting in the bullpen in the playoffs for Mitch Keller. Keller is controlled for three more years totaling $55,734,500. So, probably not in the playoff rotation, no playoff experience, and next year the team will have…Yamamoto, fully ramped up Ohtani, Snell, Glasnow, Sheehan, Sasaki (probably with new mechanics), Stone, Ryan, with Ferris knocking on the door. They will also have Casparius and Wrobleski as long relief, emergency starters. And if Kershaw wants to come back, they will re-sign him. Where does Keller and his $55.7MM commitment fit in?

I would much rather keep Sheehan at MLB minimum in the rotation this year.

Seth Lugo is also 35 years old and has 11.1 IP in the playoffs…total. He also has a player option at $15MM. As of right now, Lugo is going to decline that option. He will make more than $15MM on the open market, IF healthy. But if he gets hurt, then he will exercise the option and receive $15MM. Teams who acquire him are going to want to tamp down the prospect capital in return for that risk. KC will hold out for top prospects. I don’t think the Dodgers are concerned with the financial burden, it is just that financial loss coupled with the loss of significant prospect capital that makes him not a great risk reward trade for the Dodgers or most teams.

Lugo loves pitching in KC. KC could let Lugo decline the player option and give him a QO, which he probably would not accept, and would then receive a high draft pick in return. Or the two sides could agree on an extension for two years with a club option with large buyout.

Yamamoto has 18.2 playoff IP, and outside of his first start in the playoffs vs San Diego, he pitched the next 15.2 innings to a 1.72 ERA. Snell has 48.2 playoff innings. Glasnow has 45.2 playoff IP. Kershaw has 194.1 playoff IP.

Dodgers do not need a starting pitcher. Unless they are named Paul Skenes, Tarik Skubal, Jacob Misiorowski, Garrett Crochet, Max Fried, Framber Valdez, Hunter Brown… Relievers, yes.

Last edited 24 days ago by Jeff Dominique
Bradley Lawton
Bradley Lawton
23 days ago
Reply to  Jeff Dominique

Okay so you like watching these bullpen games and getting shelled by not good pitchers as the 5th starter. My point is they need better guy so why not trade for one then have May, Casperiuis or Wobeskias as the option or do you like getting hammered by other opponents or watching bullpen games

Jeff Dominique
Admin
23 days ago
Reply to  Bradley Lawton

I prefer Ohtani and a piggyback, Yamamoto, Glasnow, Snell, Kershaw, Sheehan. Snell will be back before the deadline. That is six, not five. Which one of these are going to get hammered? You are the one who thinks that the rotation is not good enough and Mitch Keller, Tyler Anderson, Andrew Heaney, Michael Soroka are better than Snell, Glasnow, Kershaw, Sheehan, Yamamoto, and Ohtani. I can’t help it if you do not do your research on Sonny Gray or Seth Lugo. You just throw out names.

Last edited 23 days ago by Michael Norris
dodgerram
dodgerram
24 days ago
Reply to  Bradley Lawton

Do not need a 5th starter in the playoffs.
But I have seen enough of May to no longer want him in the rotation. As soon as Snell comes back move him to the pen.

Go Dodgers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jeff Dominique
Admin
24 days ago
Reply to  dodgerram

More likely Sheehan goes into the rotation and May piggybacks with Ohtani. They could go with 6 man rotation when Snell comes back.

Badger
Badger
24 days ago

I hadn’t seen a game in over a week. My observations of last night? The Dodgers scored 7 and lost. Kinda sums it up for me.

May doesn’t belong in the rotation but the Dodgers need him there for the time being. Teo missed a very catchable fly ball that cost May and the Dodgers 2 runs. Freeman was 0fer. Edman is hitting.230. Betts, after a good offensive night, is OPS’n .709.

The break can’t come soon enough.

Jeff Dominique
Admin
24 days ago
Reply to  Badger

You are assuming that the break is what they need. And maybe the one who needs it the most will not get it…Freddie, the starting 1B. Hopefully Smith will not play much. Doc gets to decide, so hopefully Hunter Goodman plays most of the game. And give Ohtani 2 AB, and let Schwarber take over.

I am just not as confident as you that the break is going to help. Somebody has to step up and put the team on his back, and Max is out. Smith is doing his share, but he is seemingly alone right now.

I agree that the break will help Pages and Edman. Then again will four days be near enough to help this team.

Badger
Badger
24 days ago
Reply to  Jeff Dominique

Sometimes one just needs to step away from the grind.

I had assumed every pitcher on the staff would get some kind of break, with the IL being the logical place to get it.

The All Star break is that R&R getaway for most of the league. It’s my opinion that the team will come out of the break rested and ready to go. The Brewers come to town right away for a revenge match. Then the Twins, Red Sox, Rays, Cardinals and team will get back to .600 ball.

But what do I know. I would have signed Adames to play shortstop. 32 home runs and 112 RBIs looked good to me.

Last edited 24 days ago by Badger
Dionysus
Dionysus
24 days ago

May not getting the QO lol

Jeff Dominique
Admin
24 days ago
Reply to  Michael Norris

You beat me to it. I have not read one person suggest that Dustin get a QO. Maybe I missed it.

Jeff Dominique
Admin
24 days ago

In the last thread, Bluto asked if Dustin May had any options. Technically yes, but he with 5+ years of service has to agree to it, which he obviously would not. He will be a free agent. So his best chance at a decent FA deal is to prove himself at the MLB level. The Dodgers will wish him luck.
 
The problem is that May has very little trade value. The Dodgers will be looking to trade for players on selling teams. No selling team is going to trade for a rental. Therefore, he would have to be traded to a buying team, and probably one who is on the bubble. However, he is not the level of pitcher who could push a team into the playoffs. He will have good games, just not enough of them. Maybe Toronto for a DSL lottery ticket? They really cannot rely on Scherzer, and Eric Lauer is more of a reliever forced into starting. His RP metrics are much better than his SP metrics. Toronto could be a good spot for him. Toronto has traded with LAD twice for this type of pitcher (Ross Stripling and Mitch White). The Dodgers still have hope for Nick Frasso from the Mitch White trade.

philjones
philjones
24 days ago
Reply to  Jeff Dominique

I admire Dustin for continuing to “try”. While not the first pitcher to suffer his fate, it’s a shame when a pitcher with his potential and stuff as a youngster, has his promising career derailed with injuries. It has to be very, very frustrating.
I know fans are disappointed and want him out of the rotation or gone. Imagine how frustrated Dustin is?
I think he can help us out of the pen when the full rotation gets back. – I hope.

philjones
philjones
24 days ago

Great history Bear. Very informational read, that I really enjoyed.
By the way I tried to e-mail Jeff D. because I tried to add a photo of a baseball card but couldn’t make it work. I wanted to see if Jeff could post it but I got a return message that I was blocked from his e-mail.
The card is one I would seek if I was a collector. Maybe you have it or have seen it.
The card’s picture is of Bill Pecota swing. The bottom says “Royals inf” and it says “Fleer ’91” on the lower right corner. The humor of the card is ole Bill is swing but the ball is a foot past his bat. Some fun picture for a baseball card.

Dodger thoughts:
*In the last month, Freddie is hitting 193 with 28 strikeouts. He might benefit being dropped down in the order but that won’t happen. He will just have to work out of it and not wear his frustration on his sleeve. This can’t last forever?

*Having a revolving 2nd baseman du jour is what we do but it can cause familiarity issued in the middle. Kim had a moment of hesitation possibly costing May the double play he needed to get out of the 5th. If Kim just backhand flips the ball to Mookie for a 4-6-3 DP we had a change to get Chapman at first. 
Instea, chasing the runner going to 2nd before a late throw to first may have cost the Dodgers 4 runs in the 5th. I like Kim at 2nd but he made a poor choice on this play and doesn’t play there much.

*May should have been out of the game by then anyway, after he got Ramos. It looked like Doc got Banda ready to face Devers and then changed his mind. Banda was shitty but Doc wanted to stay with May come hell or high water.

*Tommy Edman’s is the only infielder we have at 3rd with the quicks to make that awesome play on Yaz’s bunt. That was great.

*Nice to see Conforto hit the 2 run dinger.

Geez, you score 7 on 11 hits, you expect to win the game.

Badger
Badger
24 days ago
Reply to  philjones

Good takes Phil

Maybe Kim was trying to remove the possibility of another Betts wild throw to first. I don’t fault him for that particular move. I still believe he’s the best infielder we have.

I do fault Teo for not catching that ball to right center. It looked like he had a bead on it but ultimately misjudged it. His foot? Whatever. If he isn’t right he shouldn’t be out there.

May’s ERA is now 4/100’s from 5. Another bullpen game today? Yeah. Probably

philjones
philjones
24 days ago
Reply to  Badger

Thanks Badger. Yeah, I’m with you about Mookie’s errant throws at times. He mades Freddie earn his money over there as a “net”.
And I’m with you on Teo in right lately. He just hasn’t looked right and I don’t know why. I suspect there’s an injury effecting his play?
Nice to have you back in the poster’s mix, BYW.

OhioDodger
OhioDodger
24 days ago
Reply to  philjones

Mookie’s future is at 2B.

Jeff Dominique
Admin
24 days ago
Reply to  Badger

The OF set up in Oracle made absolutely no sense. IMO Outman and Pages both make the Teo catch, and IMO, Outman makes the catch that went over Pages’ glove. Pages still does not read balls off the bat that well in CF. The Dodgers were facing a RHP in Logan Webb, perfect opportunity to get your best CF to play in that canyon. Teo cannot run, and he should not play today against Roupp. Outman should play CF. The Dodgers face Ray on Sunday, so maybe Miggy at 3B and Edman in CF??? Or Ruiz gets a chance against Robbie Ray??? Or maybe Ruiz, Edman, Pages against Ray??? With Outman manning CF in the late innings???

Bumsrap
Bumsrap
23 days ago
Reply to  Jeff Dominique

Right on!!!

Badger
Badger
24 days ago
Reply to  Jeff Dominique

How many centerfielders have been used this year? I’m all for utility depth but at certain positions, like those up the middle, it sure would be nice to have every day starters out there.

How many innings/pitches for Ohtani today? 3/60, whatever comes first, is my prediction

OhioDodger
OhioDodger
24 days ago
Reply to  Badger

They need to move Teo to LF. He is terrible in RF. He would probably benefit from a stint on the IL.

Bluto
Bluto
24 days ago
Reply to  OhioDodger

Two things.

usually for better, last night for worse, the Dodgers intentionally preference offense over defense. In fact, I’d venture to suppose a very reductive version of their preferences is: offense > versatility > defense

Second, Ardaya has written on this Teo doesn’t want to play left and the club feels he is more comfortable in right.

Last edited 24 days ago by Bluto
OhioDodger
OhioDodger
24 days ago
Reply to  Bluto

Well right now he is providing none of the above. Offense, Defense, or Versatility. And I don’t give a damn where he prefers to play. They need to do what is best for the team. And that isn’t Teo in RF.

Bumsrap
Bumsrap
23 days ago
Reply to  OhioDodger

Right on!!!

Bluto
Bluto
23 days ago
Reply to  OhioDodger

i’m sure they are interested in your thoughts!

maybe start an online petition?

OhioDodger
OhioDodger
23 days ago
Reply to  Bluto

GFY

Bluto
Bluto
23 days ago
Reply to  OhioDodger

Quality response!

OhioDodger
OhioDodger
23 days ago
Reply to  Michael Norris

They can still have his bat playing LF. If he is hurt then he needs to go on the IL until he is healthy.

OhioDodger
OhioDodger
23 days ago
Reply to  Michael Norris

And Teo moving to LF would be better for the team. I know it doesn’t matter what we fans think, but, it is frustrating when it is obvious that Teo is not the best fit in RF for the team.

Bumsrap
Bumsrap
23 days ago
Reply to  OhioDodger

Lots of cold water being tossed around.

philjones
philjones
24 days ago

Bear, quick question I have after reading your post today:
In involves your comment about Koufax “ He was a bonus baby, so the team had to keep him on the MLB roster for two years. Many believe this stunted his development”
I read about quite a few rookies during that period who’s progress was stunted because they had to be carried on the roster instead of getting the seasoning they needed in MiLB.
Who the hell came up with this idea and why? And when did that stupid rule go away? Thanks.

OhioDodger
OhioDodger
24 days ago

Great write up Bear. Thoroughly enjoyed it.

Cassidy
Cassidy
23 days ago
Reply to  OhioDodger

Really enjoyed it Bear

Dionysus
Dionysus
24 days ago

I’m predicting a combined perfect game today. 135 total pitches thrown.

OhioDodger
OhioDodger
23 days ago
Reply to  Dionysus

Close enough.

Bobby
Bobby
23 days ago

For those interested (which is probably all of us), the Futures game is on MLB network right now.

We have Hope and dePaula on the NL team

Bobby
Bobby
23 days ago
Reply to  Bobby

Hope singled off a 6’10” wicked leftie. Nice smooth swing.

Bobby
Bobby
23 days ago
Reply to  Bobby

Wow, and DePaula follows up with a 3 run shot off that same leftie!!

Bluto
Bluto
23 days ago

Shohei Ohtani’s last six batters:
Strikeout swinging
Strikeout swinging
Strikeout swinging
Strikeout swinging
Strikeout swinging
Strikeout swinging

Bluto
Bluto
23 days ago

OMG.

For how long has Joey Lucchesi’s entrance music been the Sopranos theme?!??!!?!?



Cassidy
Cassidy
23 days ago
Reply to  Bluto

Just hard to believe our top 4 hitters can be this bad for this long all at the same time.

Last edited 23 days ago by Cassidy
Bluto
Bluto
23 days ago
Reply to  Cassidy

Not sure about that.

Cassidy
Cassidy
23 days ago
Reply to  Bluto

Finally!

OhioDodger
OhioDodger
23 days ago

Josue DePaula Futures Game MVP!

Last edited 23 days ago by OhioDodger
Norcaldodgerfan
23 days ago

Apparently there are several
teams interested in DJ LeMahieu. Are the Dodgers one of those teams?

Wayne
Wayne
23 days ago

The nightmare is finally over. Ohtani/Sheehan were fantastic.
Rushing has a bright future ..hoping it’s with the Dodgers

Wayne
Wayne
23 days ago
Reply to  Michael Norris

All his batting #’s steadily rising.

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