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Before Their Time

                                          I was watching “The Natural” the other day, and I got to thinking about players who died young and never really made their mark. The premise of the movie, Hobbs being shot, is loosely based on what happened to former MLB player, Eddie Waitkus. For those of you who do not know anything about Eddie, his first year in the majors was 1941. He only played in 12 games for the Cubs. By the way, his nickname as a rookie was “The Natural.” He enlisted in the US Army after Pearl Harbor and would see some of the bloodiest fighting of the war in the Philippines. He was awarded four bronze stars. During “Operation Cartwheel”, he saved the life of a badly bleeding fellow soldier, leaving his foxhole during an attack on his position and using safety pins to stop the bleeding. 

                                       When he returned from the war, he became a star first baseman for the Cubs. Following the 1948 season, he was traded to the Phillies. On June 14th, 1949, my first birthday, just a few years into what was a promising career, he was shot by Ruth Ann Steinhagen, an obsessed fan in Chicago’s Edgewater Beach Hotel. It was one of the first recognized cases of criminal stalking. Seeing him every day when he was a Cub kept her infatuation in check. But when he was shipped to the Phillies, it escalated to dangerous proportions. 

                                      She checked into a hotel room using the alias, Ruth Ann Burns. She left a note at the desk asking him to come to the room on an urgent matter. When he came to the room, she shot him with a .22 Remington Model 501, bolt action rifle, just missing his heart. She immediately called the front desk reporting the shooting. She was found cradling his head. He was taken to the Illinois Masonic Hospital. He nearly died several times on the operating table before they successfully removed the bullet. Steinhagen was never brought to trial, but she was confined to a mental institution for several years. Waitkus would return to baseball in 1950. Waitkus was lucky. He could very easily have been killed.

                                    The Dodgers have not been immune to losing players at an early age. In 1892, Hub Collins, a second baseman for Brooklyn, died of typhoid fever at the age of 28. Players in the pre-1900 era were prone to diseases we rarely see today. In 1890, Bill Blair, a 26-year-old pitcher for the Cubs died of influenza. In 1906, 23-year-old Joe Cassidy, a SS for the Senators, died of purpura hemorrgahia. Purpura are associated with a reduction in circulating blood platelets. 

                                     What I will do in this post is show some of the more prominent players who left before their time. There were guys in the Negro Leagues who were very young when they passed too. Josh Gibson was just 35 when he died of a brain tumor that led to a stroke. He was considered the greatest power hitter the Negro Leagues ever produced.  Before Ray Chapman was killed by a pitched ball in 1920, George Fleishman, a catcher with the Stapleton Baseball club, died when struck in the head with a pitch in 1904.

                                  One of the first I remember well was in 1964, 1962 ROY award winner, Ken Hubbs was killed in a plane crash on February 13th, 1964, when the plane he was piloting crashed during a snowstorm outside of Provo Utah. In 1962, he hit .260 with 172 hits. Hubbs had taken flying lessons to face his fear of flying head on. He had just gotten his pilot’s license in January. He and his friend Denny Doyle flew to Provo to surprise Doyles wife who had just given birth. He left on the 13th for Colton California trying to beat the snowstorm. His father reported that he had not arrived on the 14th. The plane was found one quarter mile south of Bird Island on Utah lake. Both Doyle and Hubbs were killed in the crash.

                                While I was in the Army, I used to go watch the Angels AA Texas League team play. They had a young SS named Mike Miley. Miley had played quarterback at LSU. He was a first-round draft pick by the Angels in 1974. They sent him to AA El Paso. The 21-year-old Miley played 84 games for the Diablos. He batted .288 with 13 homers and 45 RBIs. He also had 20 doubles and 3 triples. His double-play partner for about 6 games was Kurt Russell, yep, the actor. He was a pretty decent prospect until he tore up his shoulder. Miley was promoted to AAA in 75, and had a cup of coffee in 75-76 with the Angels. On January 6th, 1977, Miley was killed in a one-car crash in Baton Rouge Louisiana.

                               Ross Youngs was 30 years old when he died in 1927. Most of our younger readers have probably never heard of him. Myself, I only learned about Youngs when I was about 11 years old and Fleer made a set of baseball cards of players who were Hall of Famers. Got my first Babe Ruth card that way. Youngs was an outfielder for the New York Giants from 1917-26. John McGraw considered him one of the best outfielders he had ever seen. Youngs batted over .300 9 out of his 10 years in the majors. His lifetime BA was .322. He was not a power hitter at all hitting just 42 in his career. He played on four pennant winning teams and two of them won the World Series. He became ill during the 1926 season with what was called at the time, Bright’s disease. Bright’s is a form of kidney disease. He was exposed to a streptococcal infection in 1924. He was sent home by McGraw when he became too ill to play. He never got better. He went from his playing weight of 170 to 100 pounds by the time of his passing. He was elected to the Hall of Fame by the veterans committee in 1972. He is the youngest player inducted into the Hall.

                            Some have passed from things you would never expect. In 1872, a 22-year-old Al Thake, an outfielder for the Brooklyn Atlantics, drowned while he was fishing. Lon Koenecke, an outfielder for the Dodgers in 1935, died from a cerebral hemorrhage which was sustained while on a plane flight.  Danny Frisella, a pitcher for the Padres died when his dune buggy flipped. Ed Delahanty, an outfielder with the Senators died when he was swept over Niagra Falls in 1903. This one really stumped me. Doc McJames, a pitcher for Brooklyn in 1901, died of TB, complicated by injuries suffered in a carriage accident! James who had left baseball to pursue medicine, had made a house call and was thrown from a horse-drawn carriage. He died within a month. He was 27. But he had an interesting lineage. His great-grandfather, Judge William Dobein James, had enlisted at age 16 and fought with Francis Marion, the Swamp Fox, during the Revolutionary war. His Great-great grandfather, Major John James, was Marion’s second in command.  William wrote a book about Marion which is still much used today since it was based on first-hand information. 

                           Another really strange one was catcher, Bo Diaz. Diaz played for three teams over his 12-year career. He was an All-Star twice, 81 in the AL with the Indians, and 87 in the NL with the Reds. During his career, he was included in 3 big trades. The first was from Boston to the Indians with Rick Wise and 2 minor leaguers for Dennis Eckersley and Fred Kendall in 1978. The next was a three-team trade with the Phillies and Cardinals in 1981. He went to the Phillies; Lonnie Smith went to the Cardinals from the Phillies, Silvio Martinez and Larry Sorenson went to the Indians. In 1985, he was traded to the Reds with a minor leaguer for Tim Foley and 2 minor leaguers. At home in Venezuela in November of 1990, he was killed when a satellite dish he was trying to install fell on him crushing his neck. 

                           Like Waitkus, some players have been shot. Several died, Waitkus was extremely lucky. Lyman Bostock, an outfielder who had just signed a long-term deal with the Angels, was shot and killed while riding in a friend’s car in September of 1978 in his hometown of Gary Indiana. His killer was sentenced to a psychiatric hospital but released after seven months. That spurred the Indiana legislature to pass the guilty but mentally ill verdict so that mentally ill people would still have to serve prison time after being released from a medical facility. Bostock was 27. 

                        Plane crashes have claimed the lives of several ballplayers. Most of us remember when Thurman Munson crashed his private jet in 1979. He was practicing landings at the time. Munson was 32. Another Yankee, pitcher Corey Lidle died in 2006, just four days after the Yankees had been eliminated in the ALDS. He was with his flight instructor, Tyler Stanger, when they were blown by a strong gust of win while making a 180-degree turn into the Belaire Apartments complex. They were both killed instantly, but 26 other people suffered injuries, a majority of them NYC firefighters. A third former Yankee, Jim Hardin was killed in a plane crash in Key West in March of 1991. He had just taken off from the airport when his propeller failed due to fatigue. He tried to make it back to the airport, the plane stalled, causing the crash. It was reported that Hardin avoided a field filled with kids playing baseball. It crashed in the parking lot of a TGIF restaurant that was under construction. 

                       Former Dodgers who met an early demise, Mike Sharperson, killed in an auto accident in 1996. Jake Daubert died from appendicitis in 1924. Roberto Clemente, plane crash in 1971, Tim Crews, a member of the 88 champs, he was killed in a boating accident that also took the life of his teammate, Steve Olin. Dodger pitcher, Bobby Ojeda survived the crash. Crews was with the Indians at the time. Steve Howe, who was suspended by baseball 7 times due to drug abuse, died in a one car accident in 2006. He was not wearing a seatbelt, and he had meth in his system at the time of the accident. 

                     Drugs have taken several young players in the last several years. In 2003, Steve Belcher, a promising young Oriole pitcher died from complications of the use of Ephedra. Tommy Hanson, a pitcher in the Angels organization, died from complications of cocaine addiction, and one of the more recent, Tyler Skaggs, a pitcher for the Angels, who died from asphyxia after aspirating in his own vomit while under the influence of fentanyl, oxycodone, and alcohol. In October of that year, 2019, the Angels director of communications, Eric Kay, was indicted on charges relating to Skaggs’s death when he admitted to providing opiates to various members of the Angels including Skaggs. He was convicted of two-counts relating to Skaggs death in 2022. 

                 One never knows what the next day might bring. Over the years, I have lost several friends, lately mostly due to old age, but several from accidents or other things. Enjoy the time you have. It is precious. Baseball makes it better. One other player caught my eye. Most Dodger fans won’t remember him fondly, but Reyes Montoya, who pitched in 22 games for the Dodgers in 2022, was killed in an accident on his ATV in front of his father’s house in the Dominican Republic. One just never knows. 

 

 

 

Michael Norris

Born June 14th, 1948, in Los Angeles California. AKA The Bear

Born June 14th, 1948, in Los Angeles California. AKA The Bear

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Singing the Blue
Singing the Blue
1 day ago

Maybe what the Dodgers need to reinvigorate themselves is to be looking up at the Padres from second place.

I guess we may know the answer to that pretty soon.

Jeff Dominique
Admin
1 day ago

The Dodgers could be in 2nd before they meet San Diego this weekend. Who they should be monitoring is Cincinnati. The Reds are next in line for Wild Card and are 6.5 games behind the Dodgers. With the way the Dodgers are playing, that is not insurmountable. NYM is the third Wild Card team and the Dodgers have a 4.5 game lead on NYM.

If the Dodgers fall behind San DIego, they will be #5 in Wild Card race and would play Chicago.

Last edited 1 day ago by Jeff Dominique
TennisMenace
TennisMenace
1 day ago
Reply to  Jeff Dominique

yep….there now is a very real possibility that we don’t make the playoffs at all….including a WC.

Oh well, we won it all last year and have won 2 of the last 5 years. Maybe it’s Time to watch again and get hungry again.

dodgerram
dodgerram
1 day ago

This is just a bad baseball team at the moment.Always finding ways to lose.

Go Dodgers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Last edited 1 day ago by dodgerram
Wayne
Wayne
1 day ago
Reply to  dodgerram

They’re not bad, just mediocre. But I’m not sure they’ll ever improve enough to play great baseball before the regular season ends. They may just have to wait till the playoffs to flip the switch. And that’s hard to do.

Last edited 1 day ago by Wayne
OhioDodger
OhioDodger
1 day ago

Great article Bear. I never knew that back story about “The Natural.”

OhioDodger
OhioDodger
1 day ago
Reply to  OhioDodger

I would add Don Drysdale to your list. Taken from us way too soon. Only 53 when he passed.

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Wayne
Wayne
1 day ago

Dodgers had the best overall record in MLB with a 9 game lead in the West less than 2 weeks before the ASB. Seems like ancient history now.

Roberts’ recent negative comments on Conforto signals the FO may finally pull the plug on this guy. It’s way, way past due.

Eric Stephen wrote in SBNATION – “Manager Dave Roberts was asked Sunday if bumping Yamamoto was because of something he was dealing with or just getting some extra rest, and said, ‘Maybe a little bit of both.’”

Both? So what is he “dealing with?”

Last edited 1 day ago by Wayne
Bluto
Bluto
1 day ago
Reply to  Wayne

Not to single out Wayne, but this comment is very emblematic of how we deal with information.

Because there is so much information out there, we feel entitled to have access to everything.

Not five years ago, pitchers injuries were much, much, much more obscure.

I can’t imagine what it was like in the time of Steve Carlton.

Modern athletes are dealing with injuries and issues most of the time, if not always during a season. All that information doesn’t need to be publicized, and it would be illegal to do so WRT health issues.

Last edited 1 day ago by Bluto
Scott Andes
1 day ago
Reply to  Bluto

I think you are probably referring to HIPAA violations for disclosing private health information.

Bradley Lawton
Bradley Lawton
1 day ago
Reply to  Wayne

Here comes the Padres okay they better do something quicks and find three guys that can play the outfield cuz this is the team we have cuz we didn’t add any players at the deadline. Conforto Call Dean Pages Hernandez Edman Betts Kike yikes who to choose.

Bradley Lawton
Bradley Lawton
1 day ago
Reply to  Michael Norris

Outfield should be teoscar in leftfield Andy Pages in centerfield and mookie Betts in right field from here on out and into playoffs put Freeland at shortstop and you have Rojas edman Kim and Kiki at second base that’s what they should do Bear. But you say they wont move mookie when they should for the team sake to make the outfield better or they won’t make the playoffs. Do tgsts ehst I suggest because they didnt do anything at the trade deadline and they should have. At least gotten Tommy Pham he would have helped batter then two AAA guys in call and dean.

Last edited 1 day ago by Bradley Lawton
Bradley Lawton
Bradley Lawton
20 hours ago
Reply to  Michael Norris

Wow and like you said swept by Brewers and Angels this season but there fine. And I have no idea what I am talking about . Were not a good team we have minor leaders playing the outfield and you say there fine. And I said Pham because they need a veteran guy that’s been in the playoffs. Shoot Ward leads AAA in homers ans they don’t call him up.

OhioDodger
OhioDodger
1 day ago
Reply to  Bradley Lawton

Could be time to move Mookie back to RF. Pages in CF and Teo to LF.

philjones
philjones
21 hours ago
Reply to  Michael Norris

Bear I respectfully disagree with you on Rojas. You continually say he is “not an everyday” player anymore. I disagree for the most part. I think he could play damn near every day. He is a terrific defender and is at .240 / .690 an upgrade over Freeland who has yet to get his bat going at ,200 / .533. When Edman returns, I’d play him primarily in center and his .228 / .677 is less than Miggy. I’d finally send Conforto packing.
I playing Miggy 3 out of 4 games at 2nd and have Freeland spell Miggy and Muncy, I’m not yet sold on Call either.
So, despite his age, I don’t agree that Miggy can’t be an everyday regular. You seem convince that that is a fact and I don’t.

Last edited 21 hours ago by philjones
philjones
philjones
20 hours ago
Reply to  Michael Norris

I didn’t say SS. I don’t see a decline in his play by the reported “bulky” hammy. That may be overblown and we seldom get true health reports from the front office. When I see it effect his play, I will agree. Until then I say he should be the “regular 2nd baseman.

Last edited 20 hours ago by philjones
Badger
Badger
1 day ago

You gotta score with them to play with them. That was something a former slow pitch teammate of mine in Eureka used to say. With this pitching staff as vulnerable as they have been, currently below league average in ERA and WHIP, the way I’ve been highlighting the problem is of course “gotta score 8”, which was the case again last night. Against the sub .500 Angels.

Yoiks and away!

So what’s wrong with Yamamoto?

And the box score says 1 for 2 RISP. The night before it was 1 for 10 RISP, with 13 walks and 10 hits. That was weird.

This is proving to be an odd year. Snell, Yamamoto, Glasnow, Kershaw, Sheehan, maybe Sasaki seems like a good enough starting rotation. The team leads all of baseball in runs scored and are second in OPS+, so by those measures the offense appears to more than good enough. But the lead in the West is now 1.

Feels shaky doesn’t it.

It seems like the team has been 5-5 for weeks now. With two losses in a row that’s where they are again. They are currently on pace for 92.5 wins. But they won’t get there going 5-5.

So, what to do? Wait until September then turn it on? Gulp.

Badger
Badger
1 day ago
Reply to  Badger

SandyAmoros
SandyAmoros
1 day ago
Reply to  Badger

Pretty funny Badger. Roberts called out Conforto perhaps he should be calling out his boss who wouldn’t admit a failure if his life depended on it. Maybe his lineups . i know Roberts is a hof manager his players love guess there is nothing to worry about. Go Dodgers

Dionysus
Dionysus
1 day ago

This is the part of the movie with the conflict.

Bobby
Bobby
1 day ago
Reply to  Dionysus

and intense music playing. Let’s get our popcorn ready!

Bumsrap
Bumsrap
1 day ago
Reply to  Bobby

Slowdown. It’s only a Hallmark Christmas movie.

Bumsrap
Bumsrap
1 day ago
Reply to  Michael Norris

I have no respect for them. They are just buying wins. Anyone can if they spend enough.

Bluto
Bluto
1 day ago
Reply to  Bumsrap

Jesus, does nobody know sarcasm anymore?

Do people really think he was serious?

Bobby
Bobby
23 hours ago
Reply to  Bluto

i got it

Bumsrap
Bumsrap
21 hours ago
Reply to  Michael Norris

  :wpds_eek: 

Frank Howard
Frank Howard
1 day ago
Reply to  Bumsrap

The pot calling the kettle black comes to mind Bumsrap

Last edited 1 day ago by Frank Howard
Duke Not Snider
Duke Not Snider
1 day ago

The uncommon amount of tragedy that afflicted the Angels led to the notion of an “Angels curse.” Lyman Bostock. Donnie Moore. Nick Adenhart…and more.
Meanwhile, TrueBlueLA had a good headline:
“Will the Real 2005 Dodgers Please Stand Up?”
The Padres are now just one game back…

Bobby
Bobby
1 day ago

How is it “before their time”? Clearly it was their time?

OhioDodger
OhioDodger
1 day ago
Reply to  Bobby

Well, the average life expectancy is 75-80 years. So, when people die in their 40’s, 50’s, and 60’s we consider it too soon. Perhaps we should say “before their expected time.”

Bobby
Bobby
23 hours ago
Reply to  Michael Norris

So then do those who pass away at age 90 “die after their time”

tedraymond
tedraymond
1 day ago
Reply to  Bumsrap

Interesting article. Personally, there should be a comparison of players in different eras. The pre-1900 era. The dead ball era from 1900-1920. The live ball era through 1946. Then with the integration of the game starting in 1947 with Jackie Robinson to the present.

With the latest era you start with the improvement of equipment, field conditions, night games, and travel. Within this era we have the beginning of free agency, unionization, dramatic steroid use in the 90’s, improved training and nutrition, and finally the use of computers. Dozens of new stats are used to maximize pitch velocity, the emphasis of elevating hitting the ball, and analysis and development of players.

The pre-1900 stats, records, and players should not be considered in any comparisons with today’s game and players. It’s absurd. Almost the same with the dead ball era.

With the 1921-1946 era, the big question is how many of the players and stats should be compared to today’s game? Just with the huge increase in pitching velo and much better defense (glove size) it might difficult to include or compare. And, other things to consider were two world wars and a depression that affected player quantity and quality.

Bottom line for me, modern baseball started in 1947 with integration of baseball where all players from all over the world had a chance to play MLB. When comparing and breaking records, 1947 is where it should start. There is just too many significant factors to do otherwise. Again, just my opinion.

Sorry to hijack your post Bumsrap.

Carry on.

Last edited 1 day ago by tedraymond
Bumsrap
Bumsrap
18 hours ago
Reply to  tedraymond

Good addition. I was done

Fred Vogel
Fred Vogel
1 day ago
philjones
philjones
1 day ago

If the Dodgers play isn’t irritating enough, we can’t even get a HPU that doesn’t suck.
Dan Iassogna is in his 26th year as an MLB Umpire. He is a Crew Chief (C. D. Bucknor is on his crew) and has worked the World Baseball Classic, 2 All-Star Games, 5 Wild Card Series’, 7 Division Series’, 8 League Championship Series’, and 3 World Series’. And he is totally horseshit.

Last night, UmpireScorecard had him with 19 missed ball / strike calls. 15 of those were actual strikes that ole Dan called balls. And there is NO pattern to his misses that could be somewhat adjusted to. He misses strikes up, down, in and out.  
It is unfathomable that this clown keeps his job and MLB doesn’t insist he improve. An 87% accuracy rate rate wouldn’t be tolerated by my doctor, lawyer, or trash collector but somehow MLB turns a blind eye. Plus he’s a dick.

NH Dodger
NH Dodger
22 hours ago
Reply to  philjones

Home plate umping is seemingly getting worse, not better. It is frustrating to watch Iassogna, Jim Wolf, Ramon DeJesus, CB Buckner, etc. work balls and strikes. The blown third strike call on Taylor Ward cost the Dodgers a run in the first inning. Skip the challenge system and go to ABS or relegate poor umpires to the Minor Leagues and promote the best Minor League umpires. It tells you that they are really not that interested in the best umpires working in their sport.

philjones
philjones
21 hours ago
Reply to  NH Dodger

NH Dodger, I have been lobbying for the Full-Time implementation of ABS since time began. I have no idea why the players prefer a challenge system and Manfred has favored that all along as well.
Just get it right every time.

Last edited 21 hours ago by philjones
NH Dodger
NH Dodger
20 hours ago
Reply to  philjones

Absolutely. Challenge system is a half- measure.

Ron Fairly fan
Ron Fairly fan
23 hours ago
Reply to  philjones

Compare his score card to Jan Pawol who was in her debut and I’m sure she was nervous. Her score was 93% accuracy and she was pretty consistent with her missed calls being some thing the hitters could adjust to

Norcaldodgerfan
23 hours ago
Reply to  philjones

100%!

Bobby
Bobby
23 hours ago
Reply to  philjones

The first inning pitch to Ohtani that was called a ball and then the strike 3 by Yamamoto to an Angel hitter that was called a ball were blatantly pathetic misses by the ump

Bobby
Bobby
23 hours ago
Reply to  Michael Norris

He’ll go 6 strong with 7k vs us

Jeff Dominique
Admin
22 hours ago
Reply to  Bobby

You might be underselling the K’s.

philjones
philjones
20 hours ago
Reply to  Michael Norris

Conforto again. I’m prepared to pay the 12 million to get his ass sent down the road.

Wayne
Wayne
19 hours ago
Reply to  philjones

Create a GoFundMe account for Dodgers fans to donate whatever is needed to remove Conforto from the team, and I bet you won’t have to pay a cent of that 12 million.

Last edited 19 hours ago by Wayne
david
david
19 hours ago
Reply to  philjones

Isn’t most of the 17 million paid already?

Bluto
Bluto
19 hours ago

Dodgers Farm System back to #1

Bluto
Bluto
19 hours ago

Brock Stewart to IL, shoulder inflammation, interesting because the trade was held up due to medical reports, presumably.

Edgardo Henriquez back up

Last edited 19 hours ago by Bluto
NH Dodger
NH Dodger
16 hours ago
Reply to  Bluto

That is probably why it only cost James Outman to acquire Stewart.

tedraymond
tedraymond
17 hours ago
Reply to  Bluto

Of course. There’s nothing more to say at this point. Has every pitcher on the 40 man been on the IL so far this year?

Scott Andes
18 hours ago
Reply to  Bluto

Great trade deadline.

OhioDodger
OhioDodger
19 hours ago
Reply to  Bluto

Well that just bites.

Bluto
Bluto
19 hours ago
Reply to  OhioDodger

It stinks, and I like Henriquez a lot (preferenced him, even injured, over Yates.)

OhioDodger
OhioDodger
18 hours ago
Reply to  Bluto

Well, at least we didn’t give up much to acquire him.   :wpds_whew: 

Bluto
Bluto
18 hours ago
Reply to  OhioDodger

Plunkett Asked Dodgers Andrew Friedman if regrets not making more/bigger moves at deadline: “We don’t live like that. There’s deals that we thought made sense for us we pursued hard. It’s not like we had the potential to do a deal where we were like, ‘No’ and now we wish we would have.”

norcaldodgerfan
19 hours ago

According to Fabian Ardaya, Henriquez is in Anaheim and Brock Stewart was seen leaving the clubhouse in street clothes. Hmmmmm?

Is he headed for some imaging on an ailing elbow or shoulder, has there been an emergency in the family? Has he been DFA’d (not likely)?

The Dodgers swoon and the relative weak trade deal acquisitions by the FO are looming large.

….and now we know. Stewart has a balky shoulder. Wow–I realize injuries cannot be foreseen, but what a whimper of a trade acquisition.

Last edited 19 hours ago by norcaldodgerfan
Singing the Blue
Singing the Blue
19 hours ago

The ghost of James Outman gets his revenge.

Baseball seems to have found the answer to forearm problems. Move the ache to the shoulder.

Last edited 19 hours ago by Singing the Blue
Bluto
Bluto
19 hours ago

Revenge for what?

Getting to the majors? Or getting sent down by the Twins?

Singing the Blue
Singing the Blue
18 hours ago
Reply to  Bluto

Getting traded when he was just on the verge of rediscovering his batting eye.  😁 

Bluto
Bluto
18 hours ago

Andrew Friedman said Tony Gonsolin had an elbow surgery today. Internal brace and flexor repair. He was a long shot to return this year anyway, but that officially ends his season. Recovery timeline is 8-10 months

Singing the Blue
Singing the Blue
18 hours ago
Reply to  Bluto

What was he out with last time he had surgery? Is this a repeat of that or something new?

Can they non-tender him when he’s out with an injury? If so, I would imagine that’s what they’ll do considering all the pitchers they have coming back next year.

Too bad Catman never had a chance to build a career here because injuries kept on getting in the way. He has some real talent in that arm…………….when it’s not falling off.

Last edited 18 hours ago by Singing the Blue
OhioDodger
OhioDodger
18 hours ago

Currently on a 1 year $5.4M contract for 2025. He is arbitration eligible in 2026. Free agent 2027. They could non tender him. He probably won’t be available until the All-Star Break if the Dodgers do tender him a contract.

Bluto
Bluto
18 hours ago

I can’t imagine anything less “Andrew Friedman” the non-tendering a pitcher like Gonsolin.

Maybe trading for that Wynn SS

Cassidy
Cassidy
17 hours ago
Reply to  Bluto

Tough luck for the Catman

Ron Fairly fan
Ron Fairly fan
17 hours ago
Reply to  Cassidy

I could see AF giving Gonsolin a 2 year 8-9 million contract 2-3 next season and 6 in 2027

Bumsrap
Bumsrap
17 hours ago
Cassidy
Cassidy
17 hours ago
Reply to  Bumsrap

We need Sheehan to pick us up tonight

Cassidy
Cassidy
17 hours ago
Reply to  Cassidy

Nope

Cassidy
Cassidy
15 hours ago
Reply to  Cassidy

Conforto seems like a good guy, but as bad as we’re going, he just can’t get any more at bats. Bring up somebody, ANYBODY! How could Ward possibly be any worse?

david
david
15 hours ago
Reply to  Cassidy

and not Conforto. 2 Ks and a DP so far

tedraymond
tedraymond
15 hours ago

Conforto….why is he still on the LA Dodgers?

I guess it’s the last we’ll see of Gonsolin as a Dodger. What a damn shame. Hasn’t he had two elbow surgeries? He’s been injured most of the season and now they figure out he needs surgery. This isn’t the first time a pitcher is on the IL for months and then needs surgery. Doesn’t seem right, but there must be logic to it

Cassidy
Cassidy
15 hours ago
Reply to  tedraymond

Triple play! Bad and unlucky is a killer combination!

Ron Fairly fan
Ron Fairly fan
15 hours ago
Reply to  Cassidy

Well the last time the Dodgers hit into a triple play they went on to win the World Series

Bluto
Bluto
14 hours ago

Anytime this team wants to start playing good baseball would be A-OK with me!

OhioDodger
OhioDodger
14 hours ago

AF should have done more to fix the bullpen. Pathetic.

Scott Andes
14 hours ago

Interesting, sure looks like the club is about to not only get swept by the Angels, but fall out of first place. I’m not being negative here, just being factual.

The primary reason why the Dodgers are so bad this year as I have pointed too almost the entire season many times, is the awful pitching staff and specifically the bullpen. Not only do they not have anyone to close out games, but there is not one pitcher in that pen that strikes fear in the opposing team. It’s an entire bullpen of below average arms, even Treinen is not what he used to be. Other teams know the Dodgers have a super weak razor thin pitching staff and they smell blood in the water.

Meanwhile on the other side of the ball, management keeps rolling out Conforto, another ohfer and a GIDP. Im surprised he didn’t hit into the triple play.

I do believe that they not only will fall out of first place, but they may not even make the playoffs, and if they do it’ll be as a low wild card seed and they’ll get immediately bounced.

There needs to be a massive change of pitching philosophy in the winter. The pitching staff needs to be rebuilt from the ground up as I’ve said before. Management needs to focus on finding reliable healthy pitchers, who throw strikes, pitch efficiently and challenge hitters.

Here’s the sad part that everyone needs to understand. The Dodgers can’t win the division every year until the end of time. At some point (it’s looking like this year possibly) the Dodgers will not win the division and not make the playoffs. We can’t just assume that everything will work out for the Dodgers every year. Sometimes teams have down years, this reminds me of one, that combined with the mediocre arms on the staff, and here we are.

Again, Im sorry if this comes across negative but Im just being factual.

Last edited 14 hours ago by Scott Andes
doubledigitmind
doubledigitmind
13 hours ago
Reply to  Scott Andes

Scott: >>Interesting, sure looks like the club is about to not only get swept by the Angels, but fall out of first place. I’m not being negative here, just being factual<<

The rest of your position, while mostly your opinion, is not unreasonable. It can be disagreed with but then that would be someone else’s opinion.

Your opening paragraph is not ‘factual’. It is the 4 Ps of perception

Piss Poor Predictive Perception…nothing factual about it.

Scott Andes
13 hours ago

Shall we revisit this after tomorrow’s game? Or after the weekend series against San Diego?

The team can’t hold leads, yet you think I’m making this all up? They’ve had a below average pitching staff the entire season, or are you just choosing to not see the results in front of your eyes? The club has blown a 9 game lead, and are on the verge of falling out of first place, but sure Im the crazy one for calling it as I see it.

Let’s wait and see then.

Bluto
Bluto
14 hours ago
Reply to  Scott Andes

LOL

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