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                                  It is time for the annual All-Star break. Six Dodgers have been selected for the All-Star team. Teo, Freeman, Betts, Smith, Glasnow, and Ohtani. Only four will actually participate. Betts and Glasnow are on the IL. So since after today’s getaway game in Detroit, there will be no Dodger games until Friday, I am going to be doing some research on topics for future posts. Rob will most likely be posting his second draft synopsis. I have one more in the que that I will post on Tuesday. But use this stream for any observations you might want to post.

                                  Any major moves made will probably not be made until after the All-Star game, and most likely if the past is any guide, not before then. AF has only made one significant trade earlier than a couple of days before the deadline. In 2018 when they traded for Manny Machado. And as we all know, that was a trade that was made out of need. I still remember in the All-Star game that year, Matt Kemp talking to Machado at second base during the game. Then on the 18th of July, they made the trade for Machado.

                                One thing most of us should remember, when you trade for a star player, you are not always going to get what he was on his old team. Machado was hitting .315 when the trade was made, and he had 24 homers. He wasn’t nearly as good after the trade. He hit .273 with 13 homers for the Dodgers. Then he totally disappeared when the Dodgers got to the World Series. He only had 4 hits, all singles, and struck out to end the series.

                                   They got much better results from the Turner-Scherzer trade. Scherzer went 7-0 in 11 games with a 1.98 ERA. He also struck out 89 in 68.1 innings. And he threw a near perfecto against the Padres in September. He was 0-1 in the playoffs, losing a 1-0 decision to the Giants at Dodger Stadium on a night when the wind affected every fly ball. Several long flies were outs knocked down by the wind. He started the wild-card game against the Cardinals, giving up their only run. And he got the save in game five of the NLDS. He only pitched in one game in the NLCS against the Braves, then went down to shoulder fatigue. 

                                   Turner on the other hand, gave the Dodger speed and some power. He was playing second base instead of his natural position of SS. He ended up winning the batting title, hitting a solid .328. He hit .338 as a Dodger with 10 homers and 28 driven in. He did not have a great postseason. 

                                   The Dodgers are limping into the break. They have a 56-41 record and depending on what happens this afternoon, either a 7 or 6 game lead over the Padres and D-Backs. They have lost 7 of their last 10 games. 1-5 road trips are not acceptable. Since Mookie went on the IL on June 17th, they are 12-12. In their last 56 games, they are 29-27. That is since Max Muncy went down. Even with all of that, the bad play of the rest of their division has kept them in first place. SD and Arizona are both just two games over .500. The Giants are three games under, and the Rockies are a mess. 

                                 There were a couple of head-scratching moves made by Roberts in the 9th inning of today’s loss. One was sending Ramirez back to the mound in the bottom of the 9th with a lefty, McKinstry coming up, and Vesia warming in the pen. Ramirez had pitched three days in a row. The other was leaving him in after he gave up a triple and then misplayed a bunt allowing the tying run to score. 

                                  The newest Dodger, Brent Honeywell, was the opener, and he did a great job in the three innings he was out there. Unfortunately, Ryan Yarbrough, who has been getting hit a lot lately, coughed up two runs to cut the lead to one, and the Dodgers have not been very good in one run games. Now, they get four days off. Let’s hope they get a second wind, and improve during the last 65 games. 

 

 

Born June 14th, 1948, in Los Angeles California. AKA The Bear

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Oldbear48

OKC and Rancho won their games Sunday, Great Lakes and Tulsa lost. Sorry I missed the box scores, but Sweeney hit his 12th for OKC and Feduccia went 3-5. He is now hitting .292.

Badger

https://www.statmuse.com/mlb/ask/dodgers-record-by-month

All the first half stats are right there. Notta so bad. But not great, that’s for sure. 4-8 in July looks awful, and by the numbers there are better teams out there.

Our team looks kinda tired to me. I think they miss their spark, Mookie, and we all hope he comes back ready to go.

And of course now is the time to be thinking about trades. As you know I believe Mookie is a temporary shortstop. Is now the time they look for the future replacement at that position? Is it Bichette, or do they wait it out. Will they leave Lux at second? And centerfield?

From the start I worried about the health of this staff. And my worries were not unfounded. With 3 1/2 months to go, can these guys finish strong? I still have my doubts.

OK Andrew, time to work some magic.

tedraymond

I think Andrew thought he worked his magic in the offseason. Through the All Star break it is apparent that he was mistaken. The question might be does he have any magic left to use right now. Other than some pitching the Dodgers have very little to offer other teams in potential trades. Like I’ve stated in the past, why would another team want a Dodger prospect when the Dodgers themselves don’t want them on the MLB roster?

Good health with the Dodgers extensive IL list is the key to a successful season and postseason. Not, so much trades IMOH.

Good thoughts Badger!

Dionysus

Busch is a stud 1B and we already had Freeman. Teams want our guys.

Oldbear48

The Cubs got the best of that trade so far. Busch is hitting .271 with 12 homers. Not in Freeman’s league, but very good. OPS is .823 and OPS+129. He didn’t really have a position with the Dodgers. They did him a favor by trading him.

Bumsrap

Same could happen with Vargas. DH and 1st base not available on Dodgers so a team that does have an opening there might give up something the Dodgers need.

Didn’t the Dodgers get Hope and Ferris in the Busch trade?

Oldbear48

Yes, so over time they might end up winning the trade. Almonte is on the IL for the Cubs, he was the other part of the trade.

John

Sorry I posted before scrolling down.

John

Bear, I humbly disagree with your assessment of the Busch trade. The two prospects the Dodgers received in the trade are projecting to be very good players. I know some people are thinking pennants not prospects but the bottom line Busch had no where to play. In three or four years would be a good time to grade the trade. Hope your doing well.

Phil Jones

” Like I’ve stated in the past, why would another team want a Dodger prospect when the Dodgers themselves don’t want them on the MLB roster?”
How good of a point is that? Great thought Ted.

Oldbear48

I think the Orioles have one of the five players they got for Machado left. Dean Kremer. Pop is with the Jays, Bannon is in the Mets minor league system, Diaz is in the Giants system and Valera is out of baseball. Of the players sent to Texas for Darvish, Alexy is in independent ball, Davis is at AA Tulsa in the Dodger system and Calhoun is with the Angels.

Bluto

Is this a serious question:

Like I’ve stated in the past, why would another team want a Dodger prospect when the Dodgers themselves don’t want them on the MLB roster?

how is the painfully obvious question:

because teams have scouts to find players in other systems who could help?

does anyone really believe a GM would hear from their scouts that a player is good and then say to themselves, but they’re not on the Dodgers major league team he can’t be that good.

tedraymond

I think that might be a painfully obvious answer, not a question. A question mark does not make it a question. A professional writer like yourself should know that Bluto. Read Bear’s comment above about all the prospects the Dodgers have been traded by AF. I think it’s safe to say none have done anything significant in their careers. Or, maybe, the teams were poor at development. Bottom line is the Dodgers don’t miss any player that has been traded by AF.

Bluto

Oh.

Apologies. I misunderstood.

You think that players like Wong, Busch, Kramer and Ruiz weren’t wanted by the Dodgers as MLBers?

But why else would they have been drafting and developing them?

I think, and this is 10213981290% uniformed speculation. That there are superstars and everyone else to the Dodgers. The Dodgers view minor league prospects more as assets than anything else. And the value of assets can be realized as much through trades as through insertion into the Dodgers line-up.

Also, I do think the Dodgers draft and develop Catchers because they believe that catchers have an outsized value as trade chips, but I am not sure that means such players aren’t drafted as future Dodgers. Too much variance.

Apologies again.

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Wayne

All-Star games (NFL Pro-Bowl, MLB, NBA, NHL, etc.) — A marketing ploy dreamed up by major sports leagues to sell themselves to the public, ..popularized during the rabbit ears, 4-channel tv days.. that’s now been an outdated, useless, overly tiresome idea going on 4 decades.

My vent for the day.

Last edited 5 months ago by Wayne
Dionysus

Yeah, I don’t get it either. Like the Oscars but even less meaningful.

Therealten

I agree. I wish no Dodgers were there instead getting rest. I have heard all kind of excuses why the Dodgers are playing badly. One of the worst excuses is they are on cruise control. They are holding back. It is a strategy. BS

what has happened is multiple injuries, poor performance, and a lack of quality depth. No way those players are not trying to win. Roberts has got to be beside himself losing a 5run lead and blowing the 10th save in 26 opportunities.

AF did not expect the roster like Kiké, Heyward, Taylor, lux, outman to perform as poorly as they have and I didn’t either.you expect some pitching injuries but Sheehan, hurt, and Frasso right out of the gate really hurt. We all hoped for more out of Buehler. I never expected May or Gonsolin to be back. Kershaw is 50-50, and I think we all expected Miller to be good. Yamamoto was a surprise injury considering how gingerly he was treated. Paxton had a good start but is trending the wrong way. The bullpen has had key players out in Brasier and Graterol. I don’t count Kelly as key.

on the plus side. Grove has been good, stone very good, Vesia after a slow start very good, Hudson fantastic, Glasnow/ Yamamoto very good. Teo has been a huge help, Smith very good, Rojas very good, Ohtani and freeman statistically good and Betts. The rest well an albatross for the most part. In know way are they holding back that is ridiculous. Currently, they are just an average team which can change with reinforcements from the IL and some roster changes.

Wayne

One thing for sure — acquiring the likes of Lance Lynn/Amed Rosario/Ryan Yarbrough/K. Hernandez didn’t cut it last year, and definitely won’t get it done now. So if the Dodgers want to be legit title contenders, they’ll need more than just some key IR’s coming back & playing up to expectation… they’ll need to trade for guys who will actually be difference-makers IN THE POST-SEASON.

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Therealten

Agree. But many of the people teams might be interested in are injured. People like Wrobleski, knack etc we can’t trade unless we get a replacement because we don’t have enough pitching currently. Kiké , Taylor, etc don’t have any value or would not move the needle. Mb our younger prospects might be the ticket but they are some years away. I don’t know if AF has the assets to do much. We don’t have the pitching depth to trade, we don’t have any position players except mb Vargas, lux. It we had any position players we would be playing them.

Wayne

Yup, the odds are stacked against AF doing a trade(s) that actually moves the needle for this team in the playoffs.

Oldbear48

Yarbrough was a last minute add and was not the target. They had a trade in place for Eduardo Rodriguez, and he killed it. AF had to do something quick because he needed pitching, so he pivoted to Yarbrough. Lynn did what they expected he would during the second half, he won 7 lost 2 and gave up a lot of homers, 14, but that was his MO. He gave them innings, something they needed badly. Rosario did not play bad, and Kike was much better than he was in Boston, he hit .262 for the Dodgers and had 5 homers and 30 driven in in 54 games. Just what you want from a bench guy. If he was doing that this year, you would not hear any complaints about him at all.

Wayne

None of what you said Michael debunks my point that whoever the Dodgers get in a trade(s) by the deadline must do more than just contribute in the reg season, ..they must play in the playoffs and be positive factors THEN.

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Wayne

Yes, I overlooked Kike’s and Kelly’s positive contributions in the DBack series, but still Lynn/Yarbrough/Rosario were not positives in the post-season.

But let’s cut to the chase — Teams need more than “star batters” playing to their accustomed level in the playoffs to win a championship. So even if the Dodgers star-batters (that you rightly mentioned sucked against the DBacks) play well IN THE PLAYOFFS, they still need 3 SP’s and their bullpen to pitch well IN THE PLAYOFFS, ..and they need their bottom order to hit well IN THE PLAYOFFS in order to win a championship, period, end of. And if you’re honest with yourself, you know that those combined needs will probably not be met by this present roster. So AF, by the deadline, must satisfy those needs by acquiring other players that most assuredly must be significantly BETTER than the level of players he got at the deadline last year ..so that the team could have a realistic chance of playing well enough IN THE PLAYOFFS to win a championship.

And these cold hard facts are the point that I’m making.

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Oldbear48

Pretty hard to contribute to the postseason if you are not on the roster. Rosario and Yarbrough never had a chance to contribute. Look, I understand where you are coming from. I am old enough to have seen each and every Dodger World Series win. It was a lot easier before division play. All you had to do was win your league. In 55, some of their stars came up big, Snider hit 4 homers and drove in 7 runs. Campy hit 2 and drove in 4. As a team they hit 9 homers. The Yankees hit 8. But the Ace of the staff, Newcombe, only pitched in one game and lost, Podres, Labine and Craig got the wins.
59’s team was a mix of vets and kids, the hitting star was Charlie Neal. He hit 2 homers and drove in 6. Chuck Essegian hit 2 homers too, both PH jobs. But the star was Larry Sherry, he won 2 and saved 2. 63 was all about the pitching. Bill Skowron had a big series with the bat, but Koufax, 2 and Drysdale threw complete game wins. Perranoski was the only reliever to pitch, and he pitched 2/3rds of an inning. 65 it was pitching again. 81, there were three MVP’s Yeager, Cey and Guererro. They got solid pitching, but no one stood out. 88 was the Hershiser-Gibson show. But Mickey Hatcher had a great series slamming two homers. And we all know about the 2020 season. Seager went off in both the NLCS and World Series. And they got great pitching through the entire playoffs, Kershaw had his best postseason ever. 4-1. But it is not always the big star who shines in the post season. Bellinger earned the MVP of the NLCS in 2018 while hitting only .206. Two things won him that award, a game saving catch in centerfield, and a homer in game 7.

Jeff

Isn’t that the point of trading for quality players? If you do well in the regular season, your chance of doing well in the playoffs is high. Isn’t that logical?

Jeff

The Dodger FO have made a number of strategic blunders. We have some big talent on the team but without support players that produce, the chance of falling off the cliff remains high. Until they deal with the bottom of the rotation players, they will not outscore many teams due to their serious pitching injuries. The Farm is not somewhere they can look for help any longer. Trades are the only route open to them and they better get it done soon or this season might collapse like the last two have.

TennisMenace (TM)

Too bad they (FO) don’t read the comments from this website…….many here were screaming….”LUX STINKS, TRADE HIM NOW TO GET SOMETHING OF VALUE.”

But alas, the FO wasn’t listening. -TM

Oldbear48

MLBs started in the 30’s and was sponsored by a newspaper. It has turned into a popularity contest. City that turns out the most votes gets the most players on the team.

Fred Vogel

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Reply to  Zeke
13 hours ago

They are only up by seven games in their division. Time to panic.

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Reply to  Fred Vogel
12 hours ago

Oooooooh I am shaking in my boots. Better than being 7 back when you only have 4 games left against them like the D-Backs or 5 like the Padres. These new schedules suck.

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Reply to  Oldbear48
6 minutes ago

Seriously, Bear, you need to know when someone (like me) is being sarcastic.I was responding to Zeke’s comment. You need a sense of humor transplant.

Oldbear48

Seriously Fred, I know you were being sarcastic, and my sense of humor is fine.

Bumsrap

I don’t think Roberts is going to give Outman and Lux much playing time going forward. But if he did, I think both Outman and Lux would have much better second halves compared to their first ones and that plus getting Betts back should maintain or increase the Dodgers lead. That assumes the rotation gets healthier.

My wish is for Roberts to live with Outman and Lux instead of Taylor and Kike’ and Hayward. I would love a trade that moves Taylor and Kike and Heyward to another team which I assume if enough $$ accompanies such a trade a trade of them is possible. Why? To keep Roberts from playing with the lineup as much as he does.

Oldbear48

I think as soon as Heyward is activated, which will probably be by this Friday, Outman is on his way back to OKC. Lux will play until he is traded or until they get a SS and Mookie comes back. They really have no other options. Both of their backup second basemen are hitting below the Mendoza line. Lux has been good on defense and one of the better hitters with men in scoring position.

Bumsrap

Yep, I fear they will do just that. I should have added Muncy to my closet cleaning list.

DH. Ohtani
SS. Betts
1B. Freeman
C. Smith
LF. T Hernandez
CF Outman
RF Pages
2B. Lux
3B. Rojas

Oldbear48

Looks like Muncy might be out until the middle of August. Kersh could be back shortly after his re-hab start this Friday. Glasnow should be active by August 1st, maybe sooner. Yamamoto, probably not until late August. Buehler, who knows. He is in Florida working on his mechanics. I still think they trade for at least one starting pitcher and an outfielder. That is why a Arozarena-Elfin trade makes so much sense. Better than Pham-Fedde.

TennisMenace (TM)

lol…..give these two bums as much playing time. That does wonders for our bottom 4 hitters. Nottttttttt! -TM

Bluto

Roberts has said, within the past week, that players have had enough time to prove themselves and make their case.

Phil Jones

“The way Yohan was throwing the ball, I felt you’ve got to try to middle it, thread the needle, and give yourself a chance,” Roberts said.
WTF does that mean in plain English?

On not going to Vesia in the 9th:
“In that situation, you’re trying to do everything you can not to pitch him,” Roberts said. “And you have no one else behind him.”
Then why do you have him warming up?

Bumsrap

Ideally he wouldn’t be warming up but there is a difference between throwing just enough in the bullpen to let the 8 pitches he gets on the mound to get him all the way warmed up and coming into a game and giving 100%.

I can’t offer a translation for Roberts first comment. Too much jargon I guess.

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Oldbear48

With the next four days off, Dave was spouting BS. Vesia is getting plenty of rest now. Not pitching him against a lefty leading off was pure BS.

Badger

“WTF does that mean in plain English?”

I think it means throw the ball center cut and hope for the best.

“Then why do you have him warming up?”

Just in case Ramirez doesn’t throw the ball down the left field foul line.

tedraymond

Exactly Phil ! (per the Vesia take). Ditto to Bear’s comments.

I haven’t listened to a Roberts post game BS just for this reason. What difference does it make where the pitch is thrown when two hitters were bunting? No comment about two errors one would expect from a little leaguer.

Oldbear48

Angels requested release waivers for Miguel Sano.

Badger

I knew you were joking Fred. I thought it was funny.

I agree about the All Star game. Egos on parade. Had enough of that. Those self promotion gigs are everywhere you look. I know there are celebrity fans who can’t get enough, that’s why see so much of it, but just give me the games, movies and a few concerts and I’ll skip the image management b.s..

I read those stats and what I see is a team that is good but not great. I also see that if Betts, Muncy, Yamamoto, Glasnow, Miller, Buehler, Sheehan, May and the missing pen pieces were still there and performing to their known abilities the team would indeed be great. Is this Roberts’ fault? I say no. Is it Friedman’s fault? Maybe. If I could see the vulnerability in this staff, he should have. But nobody saw Yamamoto going down.

This team has four aces on the IL, five if you count Kershaw. First of all, how many teams have five aces, and what would happen to any team that lost an entire starting rotation to injury? What happens to the Dodgers? They lead the Division by 7 games halfway instead of 14. I find myself fortunate to be a Dodger fan, though we do have to occasionally listen to sh*t from padres and dbacks fans all winter. At least we’re in the playoffs every year.

Oldbear48

I totally agree with you Badger. Fans think winning is easy. It isn’t. Getting to the World Series is hard enough, winning it can be even harder. There is a lot of pressure to perform. If the staff had been healthy last year, I doubt AZ would have swept them. Kersh had a bad shoulder, Miller was making his first postseason start, the butterfly’s must have felt like dive bombers. Lynn gives up way too many homers anyway, so he gives up a record 4 in one inning and they lose 4-2. And you are not going to win many games when your best two players go 1-21.

Badger

And that’s why pitching depth is so important. We don’t have it in July. Maybe September will be different. Hope so.

But that starting staff at the rehab clinic is going to shut everyone out. But so what? Everyone knows therapists can’t hit.

Jeff

Seems it’s a lot to hope for at this point. All these pitchers that might be back before the playoff will have to get into game shape once more. They will not be playing at the top of their game, conditioning wise. Muscle memory needs time to activate plus the pressure to end the season well plus the playoffs piled on top is too much for me to believe can happen. Making the playoffs will probably happen considering how generous the Pads and snakes have been to us and not because of our overwhelming power and dominance we once thought so highly of.

Singing the Blue

Nobody talking about the draft here today so I’ll state an opinion.

We just drafted a high school outfielder, Brendan Tunink in the 8th round. The video I’ve seen of him reminds me of video I saw on Bellinger the day we drafted him, so I’m going on record here as saying I think Brendan will some day be a very good outfielder for the LA Dodgers and, unlike Belli, will not forget the swing he had in high school which was actually better than the one he has today. I really like this pick.

Singing the Blue

Great. Look forward to seeing it.

Oldbear48

Anyone hoping they trade for Robert Jr. pump the brakes. He might not be on the market until this winter. The reason: Sox are worried about his underperformance lowering his trade value. Arozarena makes more sense.

Badger

Wadda you mean? In the last month Bob Jr is OPSn .825, in the last two weeks he’s OPSn .900. That’s considerably better than our centerfielders.

Oldbear48

Just reporting what was written on Google sports

Bluto

Bruce Kuntz has some great write ups of the Dodgers Day 2 draft picks at DodgersDigest. He not only goes into the players, but the above and below slot dynamics:

Dodgers select RHP Brooks Auger, SS Elijah Hainline, OF Brendan Tunink, OF Kole Myers, RHP Seamus Barrett in rounds 6-10 of 2024 MLB Draft

Dodgers select prep 3B Chase Harlan, college LHP Jakob Wright with 98th and 128th picks of MLB Draft

Beyond that here are some comments collected:

First on Chase Harlan:

From Joe Doyle:
Harlan turned heads during the summer in 2023 with thunderous bat speed and a compact stroke at the plate. It’s easy plus power projection from an already-physical frame. Harlan has a chance to play third base at the next level, though some are already projecting him into the outfield where strong throwing arm and physical frame will be best utilized. He can be a bit stiff and mechanical on the dirt, but it works at this stage and he’s effective and efficient in making outs. He’s an average runner who has flashed above average straight-line speed. He more likely projects fringy underway once he arrives to the big leagues considering his size and gait. A Clemson commit, there’s huge offensive potential on this kid
and he’ll be a high follow leading up to the draft itself. There’s something of a Josh Jung comp here.

Brian Recca:
A little Chase Harlan video from this spring. Built like a linebacker. Plus raw power and recorded above avg run times down the line. Big upside and young for the draft class.
https://x.com/brian_recca/status/1773169646922870922

“Shooter” Hunt 🙄

24 3B Chase Harlan (PA)

Belted some balls to all field throughout a strong BP showing that provided glimpse @ present/future pwr to all fields.

Unmistakeable presence at 6’3” 205 w/ premium ath. & wide shouldered frame that still projects.

Ranked https://abs-0.twimg.com/emoji/v2/svg/23-20e3.svghttps://abs-0.twimg.com/emoji/v2/svg/36-20e3.svghttps://abs-0.twimg.com/emoji/v2/svg/34-20e3.svg overall.

On Jakob Wright:
Taylor Blake Ward:
Dodgers 4-128: Jakob Wright, LHP, Cal Poly — smaller/athletic lefty w/ real weapon, plus sweeping SL that flashes ++ w/ ability to manipulate, low 90s FB w/ CV/CH all fringy as is control, SL can get him to MLB in relief while delivery/athleticism could turn into rotation future

Some guy with a lame name:
https://x.com/PitchingCoachU/status/1759683275600384498

Patrick Ebert:
Jakob Wright is enjoying a breakout campaign for @CalPolyBSB
, improved to 8-2, 2.77 with 92 Ks in 78 IP with a 9 K performance against Utah Tech last Friday – has been mostly low-90s, touches mid-90s with low-80s slurve

Here he Ks the first 2 batters he faced last Friday

Brooks Auger:
Brooks Auger, RHP, Mississippi State

FB 93-94 t97 w/ tail. Cutter 84-86 t89, potential plus offering. SL vs RHH & CHG vs LHH to develop. Very projectable.

No leverage in terms of signing. 23 years old. $$ saver for the early HS picks.

https://x.com/GGRamzyy/status/1812938421058609332

Brooks Auger has been fantastic for Mississippi State on the hill.

The bite on his breaking ball is DEEP and deceptive with his arm speed as displayed here.

Auger is now through 7IP, 3H, 1ER, 12K, 0BB after another K on this elevated heater. He is DEALING.

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