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Fans Still Do Not Get Freidman

                                       After the trade deadline passed, many Dodger fans were extremely irked that Freidman and his GM, Gomes did not acquire the kind of impact player they desired. Instead, he tweaked the roster and sent two players, Outman and May, out of town. May is a free agent at the end of the season, so he is just a rental to the Red Sox. But they sent the Dodgers two young outfielders, one of whom was part of the Devers trade to the Giants. For Outman, they got an old friend, 33-year-old, Brock Stewart who now is part of the back end of the bullpen. Outman was being used mostly as a defensive replacement, so his bat, as anemic as it has been, won’t be missed.

                                    But feeling this way about his moves or non-moves is nothing new. It started when he first took the job in November of 2014. Andrew almost immediately began reshaping the roster to his idea of what a winning roster should be. He ran a small market team in the Rays and built a winner that eventually went to its first World Series in 2008. His teams went to the playoffs 3 more times before he left after 2014. In Los Angeles though, he was not the GM. Guggenheim named him the President of Baseball Operations. That meant he was in charge of everything baseball. He hired former A’s employee, Farhan Zaidi as the GM. 

                                 His first trade of note shook up the roster. He traded Dee Gordon, Dan Haren and Miguel Rojas to the Marlins for Austin Barnes, Kike Hernandez, Chris Hatcher, and Andrew Heaney. He immediately flipped Heaney to the Angels for Howie Kendrick. A week later, he traded Matt Kemp and Tim Federowicz to the Padres for Yasmani Grandal, Zach Elfin and Joe Weiland. Although Kemp really had not been the same player since he crashed into the outfield wall at Coors in 2012, I really disliked this trade. I was a bit biased I will admit because I do not like players who use PEDs, and Grandal had already received a 50-day suspension for that earlier in his career. 

                               It had been written that Kemp had become a clubhouse cancer, much like Hanley Ramirez was thought to be. I do not know if it was true or not. What I do know is true is that Matt resisted the move to left field after being the teams center fielder for so many seasons. AF, as we began to call him, did not stop there. To many of us fans, it seemed like he was signing almost every mediocre free agent pitcher on the market. 

                             Brandon McCarthy got a 4-year deal for 48 million. Was he worth that? Not in my eyes, he was 52-65 for his career when he signed. LA would get just 11 wins from him in his 3 full years with the team. In fact, in year one, he got 3 wins and pitched in just 4 games before hitting the IL for the rest of the year. Over the next 2 seasons, he pitched in just 29 games. He traded Elfin to the Phillies for Jimmy Rollins. He signed Brian Anderson, another pitcher with a sub .500 record to a 1 year 10-million-dollar deal. Anderson was at least serviceable starting 31 games, winning 10 and losing 9. He started one game in the NLDS against the Mets and gave up 6 runs in 3 innings. 

                          The team actually regressed a little winning 92 games, down from 94 the year before. Freidman’s first move was to hire a new manager, Dave Roberts. Not many fans were down with this, in fact I think most wanted the other finalist, Gabe Kapler. But Andrew hired Doc and continued to mold the team the way he wanted it. He gave Andreson the QO and then re-signed him. His first trade of the winter brought Micah Johnson, Frankie Montas and Trayce Thompson to LA. He shipped Scott Schebler, Jose Peraza and Brandon Dixon to the Reds, who sent Todd Frazier to the White Sox. Only player in that deal who would spend any time in LA was Thompson. 

                        Once again, he stockpiled pitchers.  Names like Scott Kazmir, Brandon Beachy. He signed Japanese star Kenta Maeda to a very team friendly contract. Maeda would immediately join the rotation. He let Greinke and Rollins leave in free agency, but brought back Utley, who he had traded for late in 2014, and Kendrick. He signed arms all the way through spring training. Some would be released, others sent to AAA as depth pieces. 

                      His second draft class in 2016 netted future big leaguers, Gavin Lux, Will Smith, Mitch White, Dustin May, Luke Raley, Cody Thomas, Zack McKinstry and Tony Gonsolin. Plus, a couple of guys who had a cup of coffee in the majors, DJ Peters and Jordan Sheffield. His deadline trade brought Rich Hill and Josh Reddick. The Dodgers would eventually lose the NLCS to the Cubs, and they had the lowest total, with the exception of the pandemic year, wins at 91 of any of the teams Freidman has built. 

                       Every year Freidman and whomever his GM is, Zaidi et al, does basically the same thing. He loads up on pitching, for the Dodgers and for the farm system. He builds as much depth as he can. He signs both position players and pitchers, starters and relievers. As an example, just look at the players traded or signed after 2016. First, he traded Carlos Ruiz for Vadal Nuno III from the Mariners. He traded Kendrick to the Phillies for Darren Ruf and Darnell Sweeney. 

                     Some of his signings would make it to the Dodgers, several just went to the minors. He signed Rich Hill. Wilmer Font and Justin Turner were next. In January he re-signed Jansen. He did not make any trades at the baseball meetings. Guys like Madison Younginer, Henry Ramos, Tyler Holt and Steve Geltz were depth pieces at AAA. His first trade in 2017 that affected the major league roster, was trading for Logan Forsythe to play second base, sending young pitching prospect, Jose De Leon to the Rays. Another impact free agent signing brought Brandon Morrow in to help out the bullpen. 

               In April he signed Max Muncy as a free agent. Max would not pay dividends until he joined the team in the majors in 2018. He is definitely one of AF’s better free agent signings. At the deadline, he traded for three pitchers, two left-handed relievers, Cingrani and Watson, and Yu Darvish for the starting rotation. This is the way he works and has since he took over the team. To expect him to veer from what he is comfortable doing is not exactly being realistic. He has traded for stars at the deadline, but not once has he exceeded making what he feels is an equal return. 

             He did the exact same thing this year and got roasted on social media. He also got heat on most of the Dodger blogs. I learned a few years ago that this is simply the way he is going to work. Has he made mistakes? Obviously, we all do. Hill may have been good, but Reddick was a total bust. Tyler White? Please, but as Jeff pointed out to me, he did not cost them much. I think one of his biggest wins was David Freese. Freese played great for LA. Another was signing Albert Pujols. Pujols was under the Mendoza line with the Angels and was shown the door. AF took a chance and signed him. He might not have been great, but many times he was clutch. He became Tio Albert to his teammates and the fans. Even after he left, he got an ovation for what he had done for the Dodgers when he returned with the Cardinals in September. How many opposing players would ever receive a standing ovation after clubbing two homers against the Dodgers in an 11-0 blowout? Albert did, simply because Dodger fans loved the guy, and he hit #699 and #700 in the same game. 

         Andrew definitely marches to his own drummer. It is best we try to accept the way he does business than to expect large deviations from it. He has built a veritable dynasty. The team is built for the long haul. The team as is is as talented as any of his prior squads. Like many of the seasons recently, the team has been plagued with injuries to key players especially the pitching staff. We, as fans, have been lucky to see the longest stretch of success, especially during the regular season, in Dodger history. Yes, we all would have loved a couple more Series wins. I am pretty sure that Guggenheim and Freidman wish the same. 

 

MiLB GAME SUMMARY REPORT

 

OKC Comets 12 – Salt Lake Bees (LAA) 10

Max Muncy (1), Chuckie Robinson (5) and CJ Alexander (12) each hit home runs as the Oklahoma City Comets defeated the Salt Lake Bees, 12-10.

After being held to 13 total runs through the first five games of the series, the Comets offense broke out for 12 runs in the series finale and started the scoring in the first inning when Muncy connected on a solo home run out to left field. OKC went in front, 2-0, on a sacrifice fly by Austin Gauthier.

The Bees then scored four runs in the second inning to take the lead. Oklahoma City went back in front, 5-4, on three straight RBI knocks by Muncy, Ryan Ward and Alexander. The Bees knotted the score at 5-5 in the fifth inning before OKC regained the lead in the bottom of the inning by scoring four runs, including a two-run double by Kody Hoese and two-run homer by Robinson.

Salt Lake added two runs in the seventh inning before Alexander belted a three-run homer out to right field to extend the Comets’ advantage to 12-7. The Bees rallied with two outs in the ninth inning, scoring three runs before bringing the potential tying run to the plate, but the Comets held on for the win.

Max Muncy played his fifth game with the Comets as part of a Rehab Assignment, going 2-for-3 with a home run, double (1), two RBI and two runs scored…Muncy is now 5-for-6 with three RBI in his last two games after starting his rehab assignment 0-for-9.

CJ Alexander led the Comets with three extra-base hits and four RBI as he went 3-for-5 with two doubles (13) and a home run. He homered in a second straight game to bring his season total to 12 home runs.

OKC connected on a season-high eight doubles as 11 of the Comets’ 13 hits went for extra bases. The eight doubles were the most for an Oklahoma City team in a game since June 16, 2018, against Las Vegas.

Kody Hoese went 2-for-4 with two doubles (17), two RBI and scored a run. He has hit safely in five straight games (7×16) and in nine of his last 11 games (13×38).

Chuckie Robinson hit his fifth home run of the season and finished the game 2-for-3 with a double (9), home run, two RBI and two runs scored…Robinson is batting .405 (13-for-37) and has 12 RBI over his last 10 games.

Ryan Ward reached base four times, connecting on a RBI single, drawing three walks and scoring a run.

Other doubles – Justin Dean (10), José Ramos (2)

 

Box Score

 

Tulsa Drillers 1 – Midland RockHounds (A’s) 0

Roque Gutierrez was brilliant for 7.0 scoreless IP.  He gave up one single and one BB in his 7.0 IP.

Jerming Rosario and Antonio Knowles each pitched a scoreless inning.

Unfortunately, the Midland pitching staff also pitched a 9 inning shutout.  In the 10th, Zach Ehrhard was the placed runner at 2ndNelson Quiroz singled and Ehrhard scored.  Knowles pitched a perfect 10th for the win.  Quiroz had 2 hits, and was the only Drillers batter with a multi-hit game. 

 

Box Score

 

Fort Wayne Tin Caps (San Diego) 5 – Great Lakes Loons 2

Maddux Bruns was not able to replicate his last start.  In this one, Bruns pitched 1.2 innings, allowing 5 runs (3 earned).  He issued 2 BB and registered 3 K.  He needed 49 pitches in his 1.2 IP.

Six relievers followed Bruns and did not allow a run.  They allowed 2 hits, 3 BB, and compiled 9 K.

The Loons scored their 2 runs on a Wilman Diaz 2-run HR.

Frank Rodriguez hit his 4th double.

 

Box Score

 

Fresno Grizzlies (Colorado) 3 – Rancho Cucamonga Quakes 2

The Fresno Grizzlies broke a tie game in the eighth, taking a 3-2 win over the Quakes on Sunday evening.

Just moments after the Quakes tied the game in the eighth, the Grizzlies took the lead for good, giving them four of six in the series over Rancho.

Mairo Martinus tied the game in the eighth off eventual winner Brady Hill (5-3), as his two-out RBI single plated Jaron Elkins to even the game at 2-2.

In the ninth, Fresno retired the side in order to close out the game.

Quakes starter, Marlon Nieves, pitched 4.0 scoreless innings.  It was Nieves’ 2nd consecutive scoreless start.  His last start was 4.2 innings.  Combined, the Quakes pitchers only issued 1 BB.

RC will send Jesus Tillero to the mound on Tuesday night against the Storm at 6:30pm.

 

Box Score

 

Michael Norris

Born June 14th, 1948, in Los Angeles California. AKA The Bear

Born June 14th, 1948, in Los Angeles California. AKA The Bear

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dodgerram
dodgerram
1 day ago

Well, count me among those fans who thought the Dodgers should have traded for a closer. I like the Stewart trade but in addition to that move a reliable closer would have been great. We saw again yesterday that the Dodgers currently do not have this player available. Treinen again was shaky. No one knows when and how Scott will come back. Yates ? Unreliable too all season long.
Kopech still on the IL. Same for Graterol.

IMHO closer was and is THE biggest black hole on this team.

Go Dodgers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bluto
Bluto
16 hours ago
Reply to  dodgerram

I feel like this is emblematic of the short-term obsession fans sometimes have.

Right now, the Dodgers need a “reliable closer” because…..

Because they want the certainty of Blake Treinen from last year, or Tanner Scott from the end of last year. But instead of waiting to see if Treinen returns to form, or if Scott does, fans just want a new closer.

“What if Treinen doesn’t shake his shakiness”

Well, what if the new closer isn’t effective?

The team has plenty of closers, just chill until they start closing properly.

Scott Andes
13 hours ago
Reply to  Bluto

I think fans just want a reliable reliever to close out games instead of the drek we’ve had all season.

But instead of waiting to see if Treinen returns to form, or if Scott does, fans just want a new closer.”

waiting to see? It’s August 4. The season is almost over. How long should we wait to “see” if Tanner Scott returns to form? He’s been bad all season. When is his “return to form” going to happen? Sept 28? October 1? Next season? Treinen has been injured all year, and has just returned from the IL.

It’s not April or May, it’s August. The club shouldn’t be waiting. They shoould already have a plan B.

Bluto
Bluto
13 hours ago
Reply to  Scott Andes

THis is my point.

Scott Andes
13 hours ago
Reply to  Bluto

Oh ok.

Sorry then, maybe I misunderstood.

Last edited 13 hours ago by Scott Andes
Bluto
Bluto
13 hours ago
Reply to  Scott Andes

No!

My fault!

Somehow the 2nd part of my response was deleted so it came across as incomplete and incomprehensible.

The second half was suppose to be:

Fans want solutions even if the team already has solutions on the 40/26.

They have experts! They have biometric data. They have performance data. They have history.

We? We fans? We just want results and we don’t even want to remember how well the team did last year, let alone over the past decade.

I know it’s part of being a fan, but it’s very short-sighted. IMO.

Last edited 13 hours ago by Bluto
Bobby
Bobby
13 hours ago
Reply to  Bluto

Or we go totally backwards, and start off with the bullpen, and give the starters innings 5-9??

Bluto
Bluto
11 hours ago
Reply to  Bobby

Let us know when you come back to Earth, Bobby.

Or, I really do wish we had a sarcasm tag.

Bobby
Bobby
11 hours ago
Reply to  Bluto

it might be the edible giving me unique ideas

77Dodger
16 hours ago
Reply to  dodgerram

Vesia should be the closer. He has been a stud.

TennisMenace
TennisMenace
20 hours ago
Reply to  Michael Norris

I understand AF tried to get a big named reliever but he thought the cost too high. Oh well…..he knows more than me so I trust him on this.

Lets look at this from the other side of the coin-
Miller is rehabbing as a reliever and is looking good,
Sasaki, if he comes back, may be available as a reliever,
Kopech should definitely be back,
Trienen needs time to get back to where he needs to be,
Vesia looks like he could step in and fill the closer role if no other option steps up,
Stewart is fine,
Casparius is looking good,
Sheehan can probably pitch some as well,
Scott…who knows which one comes back from injury…maybe the good one.

I can go on if you want me to. But I’m thinking you are getting my point.

TM

PS. We’ve won 2 WS under AF….THANK YOU!

Last edited 20 hours ago by TennisMenace
dodgerram
dodgerram
20 hours ago
Reply to  Michael Norris

I do not agree that other than the Mason Miller trade the cost would have been extremely high. Especially looking at the Duran, Bednar and Helsley trades. Dodgers IMHO could have matched those offers rather easily.

Go Dodgers!!!!!!!!!!!!!

therealten
16 hours ago
Reply to  Michael Norris

I c why AF is loading up on future outfielders. Conforto will be gone. Teo is a trade candidate after the season. K king n no d. I was one of the ones who wanted him back. His attitude n clutch hitting was so key. He has reverted back to the norm or less. Hopefully, he will recapture at least for this year. Pages is having a really good year but he is a rf hence a future teo move. Pages has plenty of room for growth. Swings at everything, bad baserunning, defensive lapses. So, Af is getting the future of ready with Sirota, hope, Tibbs, Quintero?, George, the other guy in trade E something plus their draft guy. Sorry, can’t remember names but he is stacking up for the near future.

therealten
15 hours ago
Reply to  therealten

Depaula

Badger
Badger
19 hours ago
Reply to  Michael Norris

18 scoreless innings in a row. 3rd lowest runs scored in the month of July.

The Dodgers need to hit. They hit, they win. They don’t, they won’t.

Roberts thinking about dropping Betts in the lineup. Ohtani, Smith, Freddie works for me. Hopefully Muncy’s return will help.

Note to Ohtani: the opposition is willing to walk you. Take it. Then steal second.

Sam Oyed
Sam Oyed
18 hours ago

As far as possible closers don’t forget Wrobleski.

Dionysus
Dionysus
18 hours ago

Great GM, just wished he would’ve brought in Joe Maddon to manage.

Roberts has probably cost us a ring or two.

Last edited 18 hours ago by Dionysus
Scott Andes
13 hours ago
Reply to  Dionysus

Roberts has won more rings than Maddon.

Bluto
Bluto
16 hours ago
Reply to  Dionysus

Not sure Maddon is all that and then some, but do agree Roberts may have been a hinderance in the past.

Bobby
Bobby
15 hours ago
Reply to  Bluto

I’d say Kershaw has cost us a ring or two as well if we’re gona start blaming folks.

Bluto
Bluto
13 hours ago
Reply to  Bobby

I wouldn’t blame Kershaw, Scherzer nor Darvish.

OhioDodger
OhioDodger
12 hours ago
Reply to  Michael Norris

And Scherzer copped out and didn’t even take the ball in a crucial game.

Cassidy
Cassidy
14 hours ago
Reply to  Bobby

Never would have got to many October’s without Kersh

Bobby
Bobby
14 hours ago
Reply to  Cassidy

100%. He was the best pitcher of this generation until October

Bobby
Bobby
11 hours ago
Reply to  Michael Norris

And then to the point of this portion of the thread, Dave Roberts would have won 3 rings and the Joe Maddon nonsense would stop.

Singing the Blue
Singing the Blue
16 hours ago

Giants have released Austin Barnes who was there on a minor league deal. I wonder if this is it for him or if he’ll find a new home for the 2026 season.

If not, I hope we see him back here as a coach.

Bluto
Bluto
16 hours ago

 🙄 

4-Gens
16 hours ago

Teams realize the importance of timing more than ever since wild card spots were expanded– the idea being to be healthy and playing your best baseball in Sept.

For our Dodgers, I tend to think the pitching, both starting and bull pen, will be fine. Yes, there have been more injuries than typical but the Dodgers also tend to sign higher-risk players. Regardless, it seems like we’ll have plenty of arms and we’ll simply ride whomever is hottest.

The bigger issue in my opinion is it feels like several position players got “old” at the same time– Betts, Freeman, Teoscar. Add to that an injury prone Muncy (elbow, knee, thoracic, …) and Tommy Edmund (this was the Cards experience too).

AF can’t replace those players, they simply need to player better.

Cassidy
Cassidy
14 hours ago
Reply to  4-Gens

Well Freddie just got a lot younger last week! Teo has had a bad quad which is a tough injury to get over. And Mookie will be an MVP of one of our post season series. I’m a believer

4-Gens
13 hours ago
Reply to  Cassidy

You’re right, it’s great to see Freddie back to being Freddie. Such a professional. I gotta believe his approach during his slump help others.

Bobby
Bobby
13 hours ago
Reply to  4-Gens

Agree. Next up, Teo and Mookie

Sam Oyed
Sam Oyed
12 hours ago
Reply to  Michael Norris

Glad to hear you caught your MD early. My mother-in-law has been getting shots for years and doing ok.

philjones
philjones
7 hours ago
Reply to  Michael Norris

Me too Bear. Eye shot every 3 months. 10 so far and no further degeration. I’m off the grid for now with a bladder issue. Been in the hospital since Wednesday so it’s day six today. They are flushing my bladder with tons of saline solution to try to get some bleeding stopped that I had. I hope to go home soon and then get a medical procedure to find out exactly what’s going on with my bladder. So I haven’t been in the loop with much posting. But I enjoy what I’m reading and it certainly a busy time after the trade deadline. I hope to be back posting soon when they find out what’s going on. Anyway bear good luck with your eye and it works.

OhioDodger
OhioDodger
13 hours ago
Reply to  Michael Norris

Most likely. Need to get Edman and Kike healthy for October.

Dionysus
Dionysus
11 hours ago
Reply to  Michael Norris

We need Keekay. He’ll replace Ruiz, who is currently the weak link. Freeland might stay when Kim gets better. No other roster pieces seem likely to be added. Still a bit thin, even with Call.

Sam Oyed
Sam Oyed
12 hours ago

The Philadelphia Phillies agreed to a minor-league deal with veteran right-hander Lou Trivino.

Bluto
Bluto
11 hours ago
Reply to  Sam Oyed

I like Trivino’s stuff. Still needs refinement, but there’s something there for me.

And I’m an idiot in these things.

Dionysus
Dionysus
9 hours ago
Reply to  Michael Norris

Has to be Muncy unless it’s Luken Baker.

Bobby
Bobby
8 hours ago
Reply to  Michael Norris

Who on earth is Luken Baker??

therealten
6 hours ago
Reply to  Michael Norris

Why? Career minor leaguer. No chance at 1b or dh. Just curious.

Ron Fairly fan
Ron Fairly fan
8 hours ago
Reply to  Bobby

Per David Vassegh Muncy has been activated Edman to the IL

Bobby
Bobby
5 hours ago

Wow that was a rather familiar first inning

Badger
Badger
5 hours ago
Reply to  Bobby

Glasnow has no breaking ball. Yet

Last edited 5 hours ago by Badger
Badger
Badger
4 hours ago
Reply to  Badger

Ok. He found it. It almost bounced over the catcher’s head in the first but he rediscovered it in the third. I wonder if maybe he wasn’t warmed up yet.

Bumsrap
Bumsrap
5 hours ago

I asked AI how many times some version of the following was said here:
“Friedman and Gomes have access to far more information than we do”

The answer was 1,209,117 times

Last edited 5 hours ago by Bumsrap
Badger
Badger
4 hours ago
Reply to  Bumsrap

I checked it again and it just said “too many to count.”

Keith
Keith
4 hours ago
Reply to  Badger

Worst umpire I’ve seen this year, calling strikes six to eight inches out of the strike zone, im shocked Muncy was able to keep from getting ejected

Cassidy
Cassidy
3 hours ago
Reply to  Keith

Stewart deserved better. Three runs is a bit much for this offense to overcome. Remember a couple months ago when the pitching was struggling, Badger would say we need 8 to win the game. Now we can’t get 8 in a series! Shocking how bad it is.

Last edited 3 hours ago by Cassidy
bisonjones
bisonjones
3 hours ago

Yeesh — that was some serious crap luck: a bloop, a seeing-eye groundball single, and then with 2 outs, another bloop.

bisonjones
bisonjones
3 hours ago
Reply to  bisonjones

Good fight by the Dodgers in the 9th — Max’s AB (lefty on lefty) was excellent. And man, what a catch by Nootbar — that was quite the game-saver. Sorry they lost, but those last few innings were entertaining,

Bluto
Bluto
3 hours ago
Reply to  bisonjones

Pretty much.

Bradley Lawton
Bradley Lawton
3 hours ago

Dodgers needed help in that lineup and did nothing to improve it. Look at the last several games no runs scored. There were players out there but they didn’t want to trade minor league guys to get them. I say now Phillies are the team to beat pitching and a lineup that can hit.

Bradley Lawton
Bradley Lawton
2 hours ago

Next year bring Bellinger back to play centerfield or left field move Pages to rightfield trade teoscar get a every day decent centerfielder okay maybe look for a free agent second baseman and Kim and edman are your utility guys Play them in infield and outfield. And you have Rushing three good bat’s on bench maybe it is Kendall George that impreses in spring traing and starts in centerfield flanked by bellinger in left and Pages in Right just improve second base who could be a free agent there hmm.fans would love to see Bwlli back now that he’s hitting again.

dodgerram
dodgerram
51 minutes ago
Reply to  Bradley Lawton

the way it looks now with Teo, Mookie and Conforto the Dodgers should bring in Tucker to be the middle of the lineup bat who strikes fear into opposing pitching staffs.
Tucker, Pages plus a true CF . I do not want Belli back. It is the same thing as with an ex -girlfriend or wife. There were reasons the relationship did not work.

Go Dodgers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OhioDodger
OhioDodger
2 hours ago

Bummer!! Glasnow looked good. Bullpen and offense let us down again.
Time to shake up the lineup.

Last edited 2 hours ago by OhioDodger
dodgerram
dodgerram
50 minutes ago
Reply to  OhioDodger

Yes, Glasnow pitched very well. But the offense is a tough watch.
Just too many struggling bats.

Stewart was really unlucky in the 9th.

Go Dodgers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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