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Pitchers Who Owned the Dodgers

                                           Just recently we featured a post that showed hitters who were Dodger killers. This post will focus on the pitchers who won the most games against the Dodgers over their careers. There is one pitcher, not a Hall of Famer mind you, but a young pitcher in his second season in 1966, owned the Dodgers like no other I had ever seen up to that point. The pitcher was Larry Jaster of the Cardinals. Over his career, Jaster was 9-5 against L.A. But in 1966, he was 5-0, and all 5 wins were shutouts. In those 5 shutouts, he beat Drysdale twice, Sutton once, and Osteen twice. He gave up just 22 hits in the 5 games. The Dodgers just had no answer for Jaster. 

 

                                      1. Grover Alexander: The Hall of Famer was 56-23 against Brooklyn. His ERA was 2.13. He allowed 171 earned runs against the Dodgers in 723 innings. He gave up just 13 homers to them. He shut them out 16 times and is credited with 6 saves. He struck out 308 and walked 122. He had 63 complete games against them, and his WHIP was 1.073. In 1919, after returning from his service in WWI, “Old Pete” went 6-1 against Brooklyn with a sub 1 ERA. 

                                      2. Christy Mathewson: Mathewson was 49-19 against Brooklyn with a 0.89 ERA. He had 54 complete games, 13 shutouts and 3 saves against them. He struck out 386 and walked just 94 in 585.1 innings. The Hall of Fame Giant was traded to the Reds in 1916. He was named player-manager. He enlisted in the Army in 1918, despite his wife’s vehement opposition. He was assigned to the Chemical Warfare Service along with Ty Cobb. Branch Rickey also served in the same unit. As a member of the American Expeditionary Force, he was stationed in France.  Mathewson would develop tuberculosis, which most blamed on his chemical unit service. There was an accident during a chemical training exercise where 8 men died. Mathewson himself told Cobb that he got a large dose. Mathewson died of the disease at the age of 47 in 1925. 

                                     3. Eppa Rixey: Rixey is a Hall of Fame left-handed pitcher, who spent the bulk of his 21-year career with the Reds. He also pitched for the Phillies for 8 years. Rixey did not actually dominate the Dodgers; his teams were generally and usually worse than the Dodgers. But he has the third most wins career wise against them. He went 38-42 with a solid 3.17 ERAa. He had 43 complete games against them and tossed 6 shutouts and was credited with 3 saves. 

                                    4. Juan Marichal: The Dominican Dandy had 37 wins and 18 losses against the Dodgers. He threw 10 shutouts and had 35 complete games. He held LA to a .220 BA. He struck out 305, walking 93 in 476 innings. His ERA against them was 2.36. He gave up 37 homers to LA in 64 career games. His battles with Sandy Koufax were classic. Juan beat LA 5 times in a season twice, and 4 times three times. 

                                    5. Dolf Luque: Laque pitched 20 seasons in the majors including 2 with the Dodgers where he had a 21-14 record. He spent 12 years with the Reds, 4 with the Giants and 2 with the Braves. His career record against Brooklyn was 34-12 with a 2.67 ERA. He had 26 complete games and 6 shutouts. He pitched 438.2 innings against Brooklyn and allowed just 9 homers. Interesting fact, Luque was born in Cuba, but was light skinned enough to pass for a Caucasian. He is buried in his native country.

                                   6.Freddie Fitzsimmons: ” Fat Freddie” as he was called, spent 19 years in the majors, 6 of them as a Dodger. So, it was a little surprising to me that he was # 6 on the list in wins against Brooklyn. Of course, his other 13 seasons, he was with the Giants. Freddie managed a 33-15 record against Brooklyn. His ERA was 2.97. He had 9 shutouts and pitched 429.2 innings against the Dodgers. He allowed just 13 homers. He struck out 134 and walked 99. After retiring, he managed the Phillies for 3 years.

                                  7. Bucky Walters: Walters was a right-handed pitcher, who also played 3rd base. And he did it his entire 19-year career. He played for the Phillies and then the Reds. He was 32-26 against Brooklyn with a 3.48 ERA. He had 38 complete games and 2 shutouts over the Dodgers. He walked 209 and struck out 178. He pitched 517.2 innings against them, by far his most against any opponent. He would also manage after retiring.

                                 8. Wilbur Cooper: Cooper was a right-handed pitcher who spent most of his career with the Pirates. Cooper was 32-29 against Brooklyn with a 2.68 ERA. He had 46 complete games against the Dodgers and 5 were shutouts, he was also credited with 1 save. He struck out 177 and walked 120. He allowed just 11 homers in 523.1 innings. He beat the Cardinals 37 times, the Braves 34 times and the Cubs 30 among his 217 career wins. 

                                 9. Red Ames: Ames was a RH pitcher who spent most of his career with the New York Giants. He pitched in the NL for 17 seasons. His record against Brooklyn was 32-27, but he had a sparkling 1.48 ERA against them. Must have lost a lot of close games. He had 32 complete games but only shut them out 3 times. He was credited with 6 saves. He struck out 226, walked 185 and allowed just 6 homers in 499.2 innings of work.

                                 10. Paul Derringer: RHP who spent most of his 15 years in the NL with the Reds. Derringer was 31-36 against the Dodgers in his career with a 4.01 ERA. He had 31 complete games and 3 shutouts.  He was also credited with 6 saves. Derringer pitched 543 innings against Brooklyn, striking out 209 and walking 149. Dodgers hit 21 homers off of him.

                                 11. Vic Willis: Willis is a turn of the century pitcher who won 249 games in his career. He was with the Pirates for most of his career. He won 31 games against Brooklyn, who at the time were called the Superbas. He lost 24 games to them, which I find rather amazing since his ERA against them was a miniscule 0.38 in 469.1 innings of work. He had 47 complete games, 13 shutouts and 1 save against Brooklyn. He struck out 241, walked 126 and allowed 7 homers. He was elected to the Hall by the Veterans committee in 1995.

                                 12. Bob Buhl: Buhl was a RHP who spent 10 of his 15 years in the NL with the Braves. He was 31-21 against the Dodgers in Brooklyn and LA. He pitched in 88 games against them. 70 of those were starts. He had 17 complete games and 5 shutouts. His ERA was 3.00. He struck out 261, walked 163 and allowed 37 homers. He also pitched for the Cubs and the Phillies. He, Lew Burdette and Warren Spahn were members of the 1957 Braves championship team. Buhl did not pitch in the 58 series, he was injured.

                                 13. Bill Sherdel: Sherdel spent most of his career with the Cardinals. The 5’10” 160lb. lefty was nicknamed “Wee Willie”. He was 30-14 with a 3.21 ERA against the Dodgers. He struck out 126 and walked 105 in 402 innings. He had 25 complete games, 4 shutouts and 2 saves. He gave up 443 hits, 22 of them left the park. 

                                  14. Joe McGinnity: “Iron Man” Joe McGinnity pitched for just 10 seasons, but he won 249 games. His first season, 1899, he pitched for Brooklyn and won 28 games. He pitched mostly for the Giants after that. He was 30-9 against the Superbas. His ERA was 0.20. You have to wonder how he ever lost to them. He had 34 complete games and 4 shutouts. He struck out 154 walked 84 and allowed 4 homers. He pitched against them in 46 games throwing 357.1 innings.

                                  15. Robin Roberts: Roberts spent 14 years with the Phillies and 16 over all in the NL. He finished his career in 1966 with the Cubs. He was 29-45 against the Dodgers. Probably caused by pitching for really bad teams.  Had Roberts pitched for the Giants or Dodgers, he could have won 300 games. Instead, he finished with 286 and 245 losses. His career ERA was 3.41. It was 4.01 against the Dodgers. He still managed to have 39 complete games against the Dodgers, but only 1 shutout. Robin is in the Hall of Fame.

                                 Some might be wondering how some more recent aces have fared against the boys in blue. Well, Nolan Ryan was 12-19 against LA. He held them to a .212 BA and 14 home runs in 41 games. He had 6 complete games, 2 of which were shutouts, with one being a no-hitter. How about Randy Johnson. Johnson was 8-7 against the Dodgers. He had 2 complete games and no shutouts. Pedro Martinez was 3-5 against LA with an ERA over 4. Bumgarner, 16-18, 3.05 ERA, Webb, 4-6, 4.11 ERA, deGrom, 1-5, 2,58 ERA, Schilling, 14-6, 2.82 ERA, 216 Ks to just 53 walks. 5 complete games and 3 shutouts. 

                                Dennis Martinez, who had a perfecto against the Dodgers was 6-8 despite a 2.40 ERA. Sal Maglie beat the Dodgers 23 times losing 13. He shut them out 5 times. Lew Burdette beat LA 22 times but lost 28.  The great Warren Spahn beat the Dodgers 24 times but was on the losing end 37. No pitcher has really dominated them lately. Darvish is 5-5 with an excellent 2.20 ERA. Guys like Paul Skenes and Michael King, who both have 2 wins against LA in their short careers with very good ERAs, are just getting started. Both of Arizona’s aces, Kelly and Gallen have losing records against LA. Pfaadt, their # 3 starter is 4-2 with an ERA over 4 against LA. Maybe sometime in the future, there will be a pitcher who dominates like Jaster did in 1966. Oh yeah, Tom Seaver, the Hall of Famer, was 22-22 against the Dodgers. He had a 3.23 ERA, 17 complete games and 4 shutouts. Even Tom Terrific just broke even. 

 

                                                                                                                         Minor League Scores

                                                                                     Las Vegas 9 OKC 7:   9th inning walk off 2-run homer off of Boyer by Colby Thomas wins game for the Aviators. Outman 3-4 with a double and 3 runs scored and 3 RBIs, Freeland 2-5 with 2 RBIs, Ward, 13th homer, and Berroa 2-4 with 2 runs scored, top performers. Sublette the only OKC pitcher with a clean inning in a bullpen game. 

                                                                                   Wichita 7 Tulsa 1: Campos gave up 5 runs in the first inning and Tulsa never got up off of the carpet. Ramos 2-4 and Young, 2-4 had 4 of the Drillers 7 hits. 

                                                                                    Great Lakes 10 Fort Wayne 4: Luke Fox started and went 6 innings allowing 2 runs on 5 hits and a walk. He struck out 8. Both runs came on solo homers. The Loons had 11 hits. DePaula was 3-3 with 2 runs scored and an RBI and 2 stolen bases. Hope was 0-3 but he scored 2 runs and walked twice. Vetrano was 2-5 with 2 homers and 6 RBIs. One of the homers was a grand slam. 

                                                                                   Modesto 2 Rancho 1: Modesto scored a run without a hit in the bottom of the 9th to walk off the Quakes. Zazueta went 6 innings, allowing 1 run on 5 hits, no walks. He struck out 5. Brown pitched 2 scoreless innings. The only run scored on a Quintero double in the top of the 8th inning. Quintero was 3-4 with 2 triples. He was the only Quake with multiple hits. Cabrera got the loss, he walked 2 to start the bottom of the 9th, then gave up two infield grounders, the second one score the winning run. 

                                                                                                                                       Dodger game recap

                                   The Yankees hit 4 homers off of Gonsolin in the first 3 innings. Judge hit one in the first. Wells and Grisham connected in the second and Paul Goldschmidt homered in the third. After that, Gonsolin settled down and pitched three perfect innings. The Dodgers had Ohtani lead off with a homer in the first. In the bottom of the 2nd, Edman doubled with 1 out. He went to 3rd on a balk and scored on a ground out by Kike. Conforto singled and Rojas grounded out. Fried kept LA off of the board until the 6th. Ohtani led off with his 2nd homer of the game, #22 on the season. Teo singled to right, Smith then singled off of Volpe’s glove. Freeman then doubled scoring Teo. Loaisiga replaced Fried. Pages singled off of Volpe’s glove scoring Smith and tying the game. Edman reached on a fielder’s choice with Freeman thrown out at the plate. Pages moved to 3rd. Muncy PH for Kike and was intentionally walked. Hill replaced Loaisiga. Conforto walked forcing in Pages. LA 6 NY 5. Rojas hit into an inning ending DP. Dreyer replaced Gonsolin and Muncy remained in the game at 3rd. Dreyer allowed a double to Judge but got 2 outs. He was replaced by Casparius who retired Goldschmidt to end the inning. In the bottom of the 7th, Ohtani and Teo made outs.  Smit then singled to center. Freeman hit a ball right down the left field line for his 2nd double. Pages then singled to center scoring Smith and Freeman. Yankees challenged the safe call on Freeman, but it was upheld. Edman reached on an error and Muncy struck out to end the inning, and the scoring. LA 8 NY 5. Casparius walked Rice, got the next 2 hitters out, and then gave up a single to Dominguez. Scott came out of the pen when NY sent a left-handed pinch hitter up to replace Peraza. NY countered with LeMahieu. Scott got DJ to fly out to Pages on his second pitch. LA went down 1-2-3 in the 8th. Vesia came in to pitch the 9th. Pages moved to left, Edman to center, and Kim came in to play second. Grisham singled to center, Judge popped out to Kim, and Bellinger hit a sharp line drive to Edman in center. Goldschmidt then hit a screaming line drive that Muncy caught for the last out. Gonsolin got his 3rd win, Fried his first loss, and Vesia his second save. Freeman is now hitting .368, Smith, .343 and Ohtani leads the majors with his 22 homers. He has 15 in May, tying Duke Snider and Pedro Guererro for the Dodger record for homers in a month. Raliegh leads the AL with 21 after hitting 2 in Seattle’s game with the Twins. Bad news was that Evan Phillips needs TJ surgery, and Mookie Betts will miss the Yankee series with a bad toe. 

Michael Norris

Born June 14th, 1948, in Los Angeles California. AKA The Bear

Born June 14th, 1948, in Los Angeles California. AKA The Bear

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Duke Not Snider
Duke Not Snider
18 days ago
Reply to  Michael Norris

Ugh. When I first saw he was out of the lineup, I thought it was a scheduled rest day. Then someone mention that he had stubbed his toe.
I prefer to think he dropped a bowling ball on it….
Anyway, the Chuckie Robinson Era has begun.
Seriously, I follow the Angels and I don’t think I ever heard the name Chuckie Robinson.
Well… Assuming that he heads to OKC, perhaps Feduccia could be promoted to allow Rushing to play some LF.

Bumsrap
Bumsrap
18 days ago
Reply to  Michael Norris

Betts jammed his toe and might require TJ surgery for jam-toe injury.

Bumsrap
Bumsrap
18 days ago
Reply to  Bumsrap

I screwed that one up. Toe-Jam injury requiring TJ.😥

OhioDodger
OhioDodger
18 days ago

Hey Bear. Another great article. Thanks. I am surprised Greg Maddux is not on the list.

Last edited 18 days ago by OhioDodger
Dionysus
Dionysus
18 days ago
Reply to  Michael Norris

Mismatch

Therealten
18 days ago
Reply to  Michael Norris

Larry Jaster

Therealten
18 days ago
Reply to  Michael Norris

Might help lol

philjones
philjones
18 days ago

Looks like I missed a very entertaining game last night as I don’t subscribe to Apple TV.

For a side story today, I will climb up on my soapbox: 

The MLB minimum for guys on the 40 man is $760,000 a year.  
Paul Skenes makes $875,000 in a pre-arbitration year. He is not arbitration eligible until 2027, 2 more years.

The NHL’s rookie minimum salary is $775,000.

The NFL’s rookie minimum salary is $840,000

An NBA Rookies minimum salary is $1,157,153.

NiJaree Canady, a junior women’s college softball pitcher, who transferred from academic powerhouse Stanford, to Texas Tech, for a one-year, got a $1,050,024 NIL deal (a million for Canady, $50k for living expenses, $24 for her jersey number). As a one year contract, she will likely get another cool million from the Matador Club for her senior season. (pro women softball players average about $40,000 / season, by the way)

Just wondering if Nijaree, technically an “amateur”, is worth more than Paul Skenes, maybe the best professional pitcher in MLB? Just asking.

I am done with college football and college hoops and now done watching Woman’s Softball. I’ve stopped watching the Paul Finebaum Show and stopped keeping track of any NIL and portal news and legislation. It’s broken.

I just hate the lack of rules and what college “Student-Athletes” can now make through the “collectives” and the number of times a player can transfer. I wouldn’t mind if players were subsidized a “reasonable” amount to play. But reasonable to me, isn’t a marginal Georgia QB driving a Lamborghini around Athens and transferring to Miami for millions.
This system is broken and as a personal protest, I’m done watching after being a lifelong fan. A million dollar softball pitcher was the final straw.

I hope we get a comparable showdown again tonight from the Yankees and Dodgers.

Duke Not Snider
Duke Not Snider
18 days ago
Reply to  philjones

Let’s remember that Skenes had a signing bonus of $9.2 million…
All considered, I think the over-the-table compensation in college sports is preferable to old model.
UCLA’s basketball dynasty is rightly credited to the recruiting and coaching of the saintly John Wooden. But he was helped all along by not-saintly benefactor Sam Gilbert, who took good care of the players.

philjones
philjones
18 days ago

Duke you have stated the case for the other-side of my argument Yes, there were under the table deals and the NCAA tried to control that before they become impotent.
Again, the NCAA had a chance to pay college athletes a “reasonable” stipend but failed. But I fail to believe that even at its worst, the payola to college football players under the table never reached the $40 million a year Texas collectives is reportedly paying their 2025 football team. Even the “Pony Express” didn’t make that kind of money.
I am a big fan of Nick Saban and believe what he believes; this NIL situation creates total competitive inequality. The brand name schools, and yes Alabama was one of them, have a ginormous advantage over the Washington State and Oregon State of the world. They just can’t compete.

The new proposed legislation will not resolve this inequity. So every school gets say $20 million to pay athletes as they see fit. That $20 million doesn’t not include money that collectives can still use to pay players on top of that amount. There are no rules and guidelines to control the college game.
This model might be sustainable for the biggest brand names but runs the little guys out of business. And that is Saban’s fear and argument about uncontrolled NIL.

There was a suggestion to break college football into 3 groups. “Group One would consist of those schools who wished to compete in a super-league, with all its television contracts, bowl games and national publicity. In these schools, perhaps thirty-six in number, players would be paid a salary for performing, and I would think they might therefore want to be unionized”

Excerpt From “Sports in America” By James A. Michener & Steve Berry 1976
Yes, that James Michener.

bluto
bluto
18 days ago
Reply to  philjones

what is the issue here?

that college kids can make too much or that arb-MLB players don’t make enough?

Kickstart
Kickstart
18 days ago
Reply to  philjones

I’m with ya Phil. I to am done with college sports. It’s crazy broken that I find saddening. What a shame

Bumsrap
Bumsrap
18 days ago
Reply to  philjones

My question would be about the revenue difference she will make to the school. If it goes up several million, who should share in that windfall?

The minimum wage for the MLB is awesome for guys like Outman and Rushing but the pre-arbitration salaries are unfair to players like Skenes. WAR isn’t perfect but I would like to see it used for pre-arbitration salaries/bonuses along with a minimum base.

Bumsrap
Bumsrap
18 days ago

I Dred Scott coming into games but he was fine yesterday.

Dionysus
Dionysus
18 days ago
Reply to  Bumsrap

ICWYDT

Singing the Blue
Singing the Blue
18 days ago
Reply to  Bumsrap

I’m giving you 5 points for that one, Fred. Well done.

Badger
Badger
18 days ago

I’ll pitch in another 5 points.

Duke Not Snider
Duke Not Snider
18 days ago
Reply to  Bumsrap

Some fun names being kicked around as potential movers in the trade market…
IF the Dodgers need a starter, they might be able to bring back Walker Buehler, Tyler Anderson or Andrew Heaney…..

dodgerram
dodgerram
18 days ago
Reply to  Michael Norris

Buehler got lit up today by the Braves. No thanks.

Go Dodgers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Watford Dodger
Watford Dodger
18 days ago

I know that this is gonna sound a little unkind, and that totally understand that accidents happen, but WTF is Mookie doing fracturing his toe in his bathroom??

This, weeks after Freddie mangles his recently surgically repaired ankle in the shower!!

Would it be too much to ask them both to show a bit of care considering how much they earn, and how vital they are to their team? Take some f##king care will you!! It’s not a big ask is it!!!!

What next? Shohei breaks a finger folding his babies buggy? Start looking after yourselves.

Last edited 18 days ago by Watford Dodger
Singing the Blue
Singing the Blue
18 days ago
Reply to  Watford Dodger

You don’t understand, Watford.
Bathrooms here in the US are much more dangerous than yours in the UK.

Singing the Blue
Singing the Blue
18 days ago

Add this to the “What the ……..?” file.
We’ve just picked up catcher Chuckie Robinson on waivers from the Angels and added him to the 40-man roster (Glasnow moved to the 60 day IL).

Chuckie’s MLB batting average in a limited career is .132.

Why do we need a third catcher at OKC? Are we about to hear something we don’t like about the health of Smith or Rushing?

Furthermore, Chuckie Robinson sounds like a 10 year old we would have picked up on waivers from the Granada Hills Little League.

Andrew, please furnish an explanation. Or, if you aren’t available, I know I’ll get one from Bluto.

bluto
bluto
18 days ago

I got very little.

A reason it makes sense? Tools! Strong arm, great framing.

A reason it confounds? Throws the 40 weight into a weird place. 4 catchers again.

A reason it makes sense? Rushing or Smith is going to be traded, this guy is insurance.

A reason it doesn’t make sense? why trade Smith or Rushing?

Cassidy
Cassidy
18 days ago

Feduccia Is getting traded

dodgerram
dodgerram
18 days ago
Reply to  Cassidy

Could be. Or do the Dodgers have something bigger up their sleeves ?
A trade including Rushing. I thought for sure he would catch today vs the RHP.

Go Dodgers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Last edited 18 days ago by dodgerram
Singing the Blue
Singing the Blue
18 days ago
Reply to  Cassidy

For his sake, I hope so. Hope they’ll include a few of the other OKC prisoners also.

Bumsrap
Bumsrap
18 days ago
Reply to  Cassidy

Skenes coming to LA. Thanks Feduccia.

Singing the Blue
Singing the Blue
18 days ago
Reply to  Bumsrap

Is the deal going to be Skenes for Feduccia straight up or are the Pirates insisting we include Hoese also?

Jeff Dominique
Admin
18 days ago

No, not enough. They are really pushing it by asking for Maddux Bruns as well. That is where AF will say no.

philjones
philjones
18 days ago
Reply to  Bumsrap

Dream on Fred

Bumsrap
Bumsrap
18 days ago
Reply to  philjones

I was wide awake. Had my coffee. Made the comment. Ordered a Tesla.

Badger
Badger
18 days ago
Reply to  Bumsrap

Was it one of those great looking Tesla trucks?

Badger
Badger
18 days ago

Dang it. Coulda buried them in the first but Ohtani gets strike 1 called on him for lollygagging then swings at two nowhere near the strike zone. I expect another home run to make up for it.

Cassidy
Cassidy
18 days ago

Mookie who?
Well we know one of the pitchers who owned the Dodgers isn’t Warren

Bumsrap
Bumsrap
18 days ago

Muncy gave us a decent period of time to joke about him being old and slow. He has now clearly said enough–I’m back.

Cassidy
Cassidy
18 days ago

Take that all you Muncy haters!
Max, I’ve always had your back. Never mind the knife.

Cassidy
Cassidy
18 days ago

Well, I feel pretty good having Scott coming in to close out this one.? Lot’s of runway tonight

Last edited 18 days ago by Cassidy
OhioDodger
OhioDodger
18 days ago
Reply to  Michael Norris

Ryan Yarbrough starting for Yankers.

OhioDodger
OhioDodger
18 days ago

Dodgers opened a can on the Yanks.

Dionysus
Dionysus
18 days ago
Reply to  OhioDodger

And a half

Watford Dodger
Watford Dodger
18 days ago

Pitch around Judge any time there’s anyone on? just a thoight??

Last edited 18 days ago by Watford Dodger

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