This post was suggested by one of our posters, Ohio Dodger. I am more than happy to write this for him since the history of the United States, and baseball and Dodger history are favorite subjects of mine. I was born in 1948, so I have no memories of the war. But like many of you, I had relatives who served including my father, who was in the US Navy. He was at Pearl Harbor on Dec 7th. Stationed aboard the battleship, USS Nevada. He would be wounded when the Arizona blew up. He caught a piece of shrapnel. After the attack, and a few weeks in the hospital, he was reassigned to the destroyer, USS Dewey. My uncle Arthur flew B-24 bombers out if India. My aunt Anita served in the WAAC’s for 3 years.
1941 saw the Brooklyn Dodgers win their first pennant since 1920. Managed by the fiery Leo Durocher, the team won 100 games and held off the Giants who finished with 97 wins. The MVP of the National League was 1st baseman, Dolph Camilli. Camilli hit .285 but slugged 34 homers and drove in 120 runs. Camilli was 34 at the time and had become a Dodger in 1938 when he was traded from the Phillies.
Also on the team was a pair of 22-year-olds. One Harold Reese and a kid named Pete Reiser. Reese, who was called Pee Wee, would spend 18 years as a Dodger player. Reiser would be nicknamed, Pistol Pete. His career would be far shorter, not for a lack of talent, but because of injuries he would sustain crashing into unpadded outfield walls chasing fly balls. But in 1941, Reiser’s future looked very bright. He hit .343 with 14 homers and 76 batted in. Another future Hall of Famer was on the team, Joe”Ducky” Medwick. Medwick to this day, is the last National Leaguer to win the triple crown. He did so in 1937 when he was with the Cardinals. He was also the MVP that year. His line? .374/31/154. His OPS was 1.056, his OPS+, 182.
The pitching staff was led by Kirby Higbe and Whit Wyatt. Both won 22 games. 37-year-old Curt Davis had 13 wins. Freddie Fitzsimmons and Luke Hamlin rounded out the starting staff. Hugh Casey was the closer, he had 7 saves and 14 wins. They lost the World Series to the Yankees in five games. Mickey Owens passed ball in the top of the 9th of game four became one of the more infamous gaffs in series history.
As the season ended, everyone knew war was coming, they didn’t know with who or when. The US was helping supply the British, who were standing alone against Germany and the Axis forces. Because of rising tensions with Japan, the US Pacific fleet was moved from San Diego to Pearl Harbor. Japan felt this was a direct threat aimed at them. The Navy at the time was probably the best equipped US force. The Air Corps was in its infancy, and the Army was ill-trained, equipped with outdated WWI weaponry and at the time, pretty small. There were at the time about 130,000 US and Philippine troops in the country. The Navy had some destroyers and PT boats and support craft at Cavite, but no heavy ships. The Air Corps, still a part of the Army at the time, had mostly outdated aircraft.
After the attack, many Americans streamed to the recruiting offices and enlisted. Many ballplayers would enlist also. Some would not leave their teams until 1942, and some played the entire 42 season. Pee Wee Reese went into the Navy in 1943. He was stationed in the Pacific. While in Hawaii, he played ball for one of the teams there. Many ballplayers played on Special Services teams. It was considered good for morale.
Second baseman, Billy Herman spent 2 years in the Navy and was stationed in the Pacific. Reiser went into the Army in 1943, but because he had been injured in the 42 season, he did nothing but play ball for teams in the US. He would return to the Dodgers in 1946. Owen, Camilli, Walker, Vaughn and Medwick, were too old to serve.
Lew Riggs, a reserve infielder, spent 3 years in the Air Corps. Billy Sullivan Jr., a reserve catcher spent 3 years in the Navy. Cliff Dapper, another reserve catcher spent 2 years in the South Pacific with the Navy. Stan Rojek, Reese’s backup, was in the Air Corps for three years, stationed in the Pacific.
Kirby Higbe, the Dodgers best pitcher in 41, went into the Army after the 43 season and saw combat in Europe. He and his unit were shipped to the Pacific after Germany surrendered. But when they got to the Philippines, they found out Japan had surrendered. Higbe stayed in Manilla until March 1946 when he returned to the US. If his name sounds familiar to you, it was Higbe, along with Dixie Walker and a few other Dodgers who signed a petition saying they would not play on the same team as Jackie Robinson. Higbe, and Walker, would later be traded to the Pirates in separate deals. Higbe brough back Al Gionfriddo and 100,000 dollars. Cal McLish, Gene Mauch and Dixie Howell were also in that trade. Walker and Hal Gregg and Vic Lombardi netted the Dodgers Billy Cox, Preacher Roe and they got Gene Mauch back.
Hugh Casey spent 3 years in the Navy in the Pacific. Legendary Tiger, Schoolboy Rowe, who was a member of the 41 team, spent 44 and 45 in the Navy stationed at Great Lakes in the states. Ed Head was another member of the 41 team who served. A couple of future Dodgers saw their careers interrupted by military service.
Carl Furillo enlisted in the Army in 1942. He saw combat in the Pacific, he was awarded three battle stars and a purple heart for being wounded. Gil Hodges went into the Marines. After having participated in its Reserve Officer Training Corps class at Saint Joseph’s, he was assigned as anti-aircraft gunner with the 16th anti-aircraft battalion. He saw combat in the Tinian, where the Enola Gay took off from to drop the first A-Bomb, and Okinawa campaigns. He was awarded a Bronze Star with a V device for Valor in combat. Edwin Donald “Duke” Snider spent 1945 and part of 46 in the US Navy. He was stationed for a time in the Pacific.
More than 500 MLB player served during the war. Including some very famous Hall of Famers. Ted Williams, Joe DiMaggio, Bob Feller, Warren Spahn. Spahn enlisted in the Army. He saw action at the Battle of the Bulge and earned a Bronze Star and a purple heart. He also was awarded a battlefield commission. Yogi Berra served in the US Navy. He was a gunner’s mate, same rank as my dad, on the attack transport, the USS Bayfield. He was on a rocket boat that had a six–man crew firing rockets and machine guns at the German defenses at Normandy on D-Day. He also was sent to Utah beach that day. He received several commendations for his bravery. He was shot in the hand during Operation Dragoon, but never received a purple heart. He did not fill out the paperwork because he did not want his mother to receive a telegram and be worried. His family tried to get the award posthumously but were denied because it could not be proven. His military records were destroyed along with many others in the Archives fire in St. Louis in 1973. I was still in the service in 73, so mine were safe.
The Dodger roster in 1942 was pretty much the same as 41. They won 104 games and finished second to the Cardinals. In 1943, the roster would change dramatically. Most wanted Roosevelt to shut down the game, with all the travel restrictions and such, and rationing. But Roosevelt felt that the game was important for the morale of the country, so the games continued. But many of the stars were in the service, so teams turned to minor leaguers, and in some cases, players who were way past their prime.
One such player the 43 Dodgers brought in was future Hall of Famer, Paul Waner. At age 40, Waner hit .311 in 82 games for Brooklyn. He had a homer and 26 RBI’s. He also had 16 doubles among his 70 hits, and he struck out only 9 times in 225 at bats. Johnny Cooney, an infielder who was 42 at the time, played in 37 games, mostly as a PH. Leo Durocher played SS in 6 games while managing the team. Curt Davis, 39, Johnny Allen, 38, Fritz Ostermueller, 35, and Freddie Fitzsimmons, 41, were part of the pitching staff. The team finished 81-72 in third place. They drew 661,739 fans, first in the league. 43 also saw kids like 20-year-old Howie Schultz, 19-year-old Gil Hodges, and 17-year-old P, Chris Hughley make their debuts.
Waner returned in 44 and hit .287. His brother, Lloyd, another Hall of Famer, played in 15 games for the Dodgers. Cooney returned also as did C Ray Haworth, 43, played in 7 games went 3-4 and hit .750. Davis won 10 games at age 40. The team finished 7th with a 63-91-1 record. Tommy Brown, 16, had 160 at bats as a SS, he hit .164. Eddie Basinski, 21 played in 39 games. Barney Koch, 21 played in 33 games. 17-year-old Eddie Miksis, played in 26 games. Gene Mauch was 18 and played in 5 games. Roy Jarvis, an 18-year-old catcher, saw action once. Cal McLish, 18, pitched in 31 games, winning 3 and losing 10. Clyde King20, pitched out of the pen going 2-1 in 14 games. Claude Crocker, 19, and Charlie Osgood, 17, got into 2 and 1 games respectively.
In 1945, two over 40 former players joined in the fun for a short time. Babe Herman 42, who still hold the Dodger record for the highest single season BA at .393 in 1930, played in 37 games for Brooklyn. He hit .285 and had a homer and 9 driven in. Clyde Sukeforth, 43, who would be a coach, and a scout for the Dodgers, notably the scout who signed Jackie Robinson, played in 18 games and hit .294. Durocher played in 2 games as did Haworth. Davis, 41, won 10 and lost 10. Gregg, 23, won 18. 22-year-old Lombardi won 1o. 19-year-old Ralph Branca won 5 and lost 6. King was 5-5.
Ed Stevens, 20, played in 55 games. Brown, now 17 played in 57 games and was a lot better with a .245 avg and 2 homers. Schultz 22, played in 29 games. Erv Palica, 17, pitched in 2 games. The team finished 3rd with an 87-67-1 record. With the war over, players began to come back in 1946. And the Dodgers roster saw some of the veterans moved to reserve roles as kids began to take their roster spots.
The Dodgers 1946 starting order was Edwards, 22 at catcher, Stevens, 21 1B, Stanky, 30 2B, Reese, 27. SS. Lavagetto, 37. 3B. Reiser, 27, CF, Walker, 35, LF, and Furillo, 24, RF. The rotation was Hatten, 29, Higbe, 31, Lombardi, 23, and Gregg, 24. Casey, at 31 was the closer, with Behrman at 25 the most used arm out of the pen with 150.2 innings in 47 games. Melton, 29, Herring, 40 and Branca, 20 rounding out the pen. Others used during the season, Ed Head, 13 games, Rex Barney, 16, Les Webber, 11, Jean Roy, 3, Harry Taylor, 4, Paul Minner, 3. Curt Davis, Cal McLish and Glen Moulder 1 each.
Augie Galan at 34 hits.310 in 99 games. Dick Whitman, a 25-year-old outfielder, got into 104 games hitting .260. Schultz played in 90 games. Farrell Anderson, backup catcher played in 79. Billy Herman, now 36, played in 47 before being traded to the Red Sox for a pitcher named Stew Hofferth. Medwick played in 41 games and hit .312. The 1946 team won 96 games and finished second to the Cardinals.
By the start of the 47 season, all of the players were back. New stars started their careers and baseballs long standing color line was broken when Jackie Robinson made his debut in April. Snider, Furillo, Reese, Robinson, and Hodges, all players who served during the war, would become the Boys of Summer, and would forever be a part of the colorful history of the Brooklyn Dodgers.
Game Summary
Prior to tonight’s game, Freddie Freeman was activated from the family emergency list and Cavan Biggio was designated for assignment. A move that was expected. Blake Treinen was placed on the IL with a bad hip and Brusdar Graterol was activated. The game was emotional for Freddie Freeman as he returned to action. Glasnow got the start and breezed through the first five hitters in the Phils lineup. Castellanos then hit a ball to center field that Pages misjudged, and it went for a triple. Stott singled him in. Hayes then singled to left and Stott made it to third on the relay throw. Hayes went to second. Stott then scored on a wild pitch and the Phills were up 2-0. In the bottom of the third, Heyward hit a line drive down the right field line that went for a double. Pages then doubled down the left field line scoring Heyward. Ahmed had an infield single, and Pages went to third. Ohtani hit a long fly ball to right that scored Pages from third. On the first pitch, Teo hit a homer into the left field seats. His 24th. Dodgers 4 Phillies 2. Freeman singled, his first hit since his return, and Smith hit into a double play. Glasnow kept the Phillies off of the board until the top of the 6th. Schwarber singled, Turner flied out. Harper then doubled down the left field line and Schwarber stopped at third. Bohm grounded out to Lux and Schwarber scored. Glasnow was done after 6. He struck out 9, walked none and gave up 5 hits and 3 runs. Kopech came in for the 7th, he gave up a hit and nothing else, striking out 1. Dodgers did not score in the 7th. Banda came in for the top of the 8th. He walked one, got Turner to fly out to center, and Harper struck out. He then gave up a single to Bohm. Marsh then struck out to end the inning. In the top of the 8th, Ohtani led off with a homer over the left-centerfield fence for his 34th of the year. Teo flied out, Freeman struck out and Smith flied out to end the inning. Hudson came in to pitch the 9th. Castellanos led off with a single. Then, on three consecutive pitches, Hudson got the next three hitters to pop out to the infield. Glasnow got his 9th win and Hudson his 8th save. Ohtani was 2-3 with a HR and 2 driven in. Hernandez was 1-4 with 2 driven in. Lux was 2-3. Kike and Smith were the only two hitters who did not get a hit. The team broke their streak of consecutive games with 10 or more strike outs. They only had 5. Phillies hitters struck out 11 times.
Born June 14th, 1948, in Los Angeles California. AKA The Bear
Gavin Lux’s wRC+ is now 92. About a month ago it was 57.
guess what the MLB average wRC+ is for 2B…..
I’ll guess: 91?
I’ll say 100.
I do admit, he has been hitting much better. I hope he can keep it up.
92
With the win, the Dodgers picked up a half game on the idle Padres and kept their lead over Az at 5. Padres and Az now tied for second place.
Nice post Bear on that time period. Good win last night in a playoff like atmosphere.
I felt that same way about the atmosphere.
Big win on a very emotional night. Glasnow was excellent. Pages got to make that play. Outfield defense is really concerning .
Kopech is just overpowering. Banda worked in and out of trouble.
Gavin Lux, what can you say ?
Go Dodgers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Lux. Keep it up. This lineup needs you.
The war years were ‘67-‘68 for me. Not many Dodgers served in that war. I wonder why? No I don’t.
Philadelphia continues its schneid. Fine by me.
I see Kershaw is up next. Money line early this morning looks like Dodgers by 1.5. Sanchez gave up 6 in 5.2 last outing against the Yankees. In fact, in his last 5 his ERA has gone from 2.41 to 3.36. But, he was an All Star.
An All Star vs Kershaw. Any predictions?
Philly is a dangerous team. They may be going through a bad patch at the moment but their batters are really scary. It’s going to be up to our pitching to stop their offense and I’m not terribly optimistic about our chances with Kershaw. Kershaw is a known entity and if he is not spot on, will give their power hitters a lot to choose from.
Thanks for your service Badger.
Welcome Fred. We successfully kept the NVA from the shores of California.
Yes, and many were spit on when they came home. I got that treatment in the airport in SF when I came back from Korea. The hippy that did that, a few seconds later wished he hadn’t.
pretty disrespectful to spit on a serviceman coming back from war. I’m sorry you were treated like that Bear.
He was sorrier. I had a pretty bad temper back then. Plus, I clipped about 225 when I came back from Korea. Dude was about 150. You disrespect the uniform; I clock your ass.
I was flipped off by a beautiful girl hanging out the window of a VW bus. Nobody spit on me. Most hippies avoided Marines. I was from Southern California. A lot of my high school friends became a part of that movement. As soon as I got out of the Corps I grew my hair out and was soon crossing the country in a ‘59 VW bus. Loved those days.
I was in until it was over in 74. Army went all volunteer, and I got out. Did a lot of soul searching and turned to music. It made me a better person. Took a while before I found a job I enjoyed, driving trucks. Never let my hair get very long because when it grows out it is very curly and hard to care for but grew a beard. I am a So-Cal guy too. Came from a school known for its surfers, Mira Costa High in Manhattan Beach. Never surfed. Played ball instead.
Roy Gleason is the only one I know of. His book Lost in the Sun captures the spirit it of the time and how it related to baseball really well. It is worth the read.
Don’t know that book Rob. I’ll look for it.
Excellent book Badger, I have it, it is one I keep in my book collection. Chronicles his journey to the major leagues, and what happened later.
Badger, some players drew high draft lottery numbers and didn’t have to worry about getting drafted. The lottery started in 1969. Players who drew low numbers and were draft eligible were quickly encouraged to join the Reserves, and aided by their teams. The 6 year commitment was served with reserve commitments served in the off season.
According to his Wikipedia page, Gleason was drafted after congress changed the rules somewhat about those who were deferred, like Gleason had been because he was the sole support of his mother and sister. They decided the deferment should apply to those with wives and children, not those supporting parents and siblings. Bobby Murcer was drafted in February of 1967. Gleason got his notice in March. The Dodgers advised him to get a lawyer and appeal. He later said his decision to do so and take their advice was a very foolish decision. He put all his faith in their wisdom, and it did not work. He was drafted in April; he took basic and advanced infantry training and was shipped to Nam in December of 67. Bad time to be heading to the jungle. He lost his 1963 World Series ring while he was there. The Dodgers would later present him with a replacement. He earned a bronze star and a purple heart.
The only player who served in Viet Nam was Roy Gleason, and his wounds would effectively end his career.
The good athletes that I played against in high school went to college in ‘66. None of those guys ever served. I assume those drafted playing in the minors never served. Many of the Marines I served with in boot camp and Vietnam were low income guys from the south and inner city kids, some of whom actually avoided prison terms by going into the Marine Corps. It was a very difficult and stressful time for our country.
I was sleeping in a hotel room on the road with my minor league team when the players woke me up to tell me I was the winner. It might have been the second draft lottery and when the ping pong ball flew out of the gadget for my birthday, I was #33. I was the winner with the lowest number on the team.
Had I been born 2 hours later, the number was 312. Anything after about 240 or something and you weren’t going to be drafted.
To my knowledge, and I checked it out, teams couldn’t pull strings to get players draft exempt. Unless you were a Kennedy or Bush, you better have a college deferment and stayed in school, have family circumstances for a deferment, or you had to join the reserves to continue your baseball career. Or you continued your career in Viet Nam.
I’m not going into the politics of this period and this war but it was a confusing and stressful period for everybody, especially for someone like me who just wanted to play baseball.
God bless all of you who served and thanks you for your service.
I enlisted when I was 17. Never registered for the draft. That was 1965 and I enlisted because I wanted the hell out of the foster care system in California. If you look back, what I did was completely illegal. I was a ward of the county, but the recruiter contacted a recruiter in Minneapolis where my mother lived. They got her to sign the consent forms. But she wasn’t my legal guardian. After they sent them back, I went down to AFEES in downtown LA and took all the tests, physical and otherwise and enlisted the following day, Dec 7th, 1965. They lost my paperwork, so I had to spend another night at the hotel, and then took the oath and was on my way to basic that day. Ft. Bliss in El Paso. Instead of Ft Polk Louisiana if I had left on the 6th.
The different paths we all took to get to here. Thanks for sharing your story, Bear. And thanks for your service.
Thanks Phil. Serving ran in my family. My son served in the Navy for four years.
First lottery my December 7th BD was #12. College deferment and timing caused me to avoid being drafted. That was in late ’72.
Ouch, Ted. Bad number. Kind of ironic how we could blame our moms 18 years after the fact for giving birth on a specific day.
Not long ago some thought Mookie coming back as a shortstop was a no brainer. But what the team needs is for him to go back to rf. They have plenty of shortstops but the outfield needs help.
Dave, I think it is still a no brainer that Mookie returns as a SS. Bear mentions all the time that he is working out at SS during his rehab. The number of SS is going to be reduced as Mookie, Muncy, Taylor, Rojas, and Edman return to active status. That’s five players that have to be released. Ahmed will probably be one of those released depending on when Taylor and Rojas return.
I would imagine of Teoscar in LF, Edman in CF, and Pages/Heyward in RF. That would leave Rosario, Kiki, and CT3 as reserve OF. I would think Outman is going to be sent down soon and I wouldn’t be surprised to see Kiermaier DFA on the return of CT3.
Is it a great outfield? Absolutely not. But, it gets Pages out of CF and in a reduced role by being platooned with Heyward in RF. Basically, would you rather have Mookie in RF and Rojas, Ahmed, CT3, or Kiki at SS or Mookie at SS and Pages/Heyward in RF? I prefer the latter. Maybe, the Dodgers would too. Of course, injuries could create a whole nether scenario.
We’ll see what happens
Carry on.
I think you’re both right.
But I too see Mookie back at short.
I still don’t see this team as a + defensive squad. But it’s good enough if everybody hits. This Dodgers team is built to outscore its opponents. If they hit the rest of the way I like our chances.
I read a report yesterday, again I cannot remember where, although Mookie is working out exclusively at SS, he has told Roberts he will play wherever the team needs him the most. It won’t be centerfield like some have suggested, but a move to right some nights is highly possible now. Most important is getting back on the field and feeling comfortable
Outman should be the first sent down with Biggio gone. Mookie is going to play SS and bat second when he returns. SO, the top four would be Ohtani, Betts, Freeman and Teo.
Betts to RF? That’s what I said, that’s what I read, very, very likely he’ll return to the outfield, at least for the rest of the season.
Have you noticed that the Dodgers, despite absences, injuries and a bad hitting streak, are just one game away from the best record not only in the National League, but in both leagues?
And many of you worrying about some mediocre team of morons! 😅😅😅
Where did you read it was “very, very likely he’ll return to the outfield”?
On one of several Dodgers pages, I don’t remember which one. They explain the reason and it sounds very logical and I think it would be the best. Teo in LF, Betts in RF and in CF whoever is on the roster between Pages, Outman, Kiermaier or Edman, with Heyward as 4th OF or defensive replacement.
And Heyward could play at least 3 times a week, and give the other OFs a day off.
As I just mentioned above this is not a bad strategy, but Mookie is taking a lot of grounders in preparation for his return. My guess is Edman plays center, sharing it with others, Pages platoons in right. With such a bevy of utility guys, only the organization knows for sure how it will shake out when Betts, and then Muncy return.
So you read it in one place, a place so unremarkable you can’t remember the name of it?
Roberts said the other day Betts is coming back at SS but they will evaluate where he plays when everyone returns from the IL
Sounds much more likely than the “very very” reporting
I have a bad short term memory sometimes, but I read he will play where he is needed most.
Outstanding post Bear. One of your best. Thanks. I enjoyed it very much and learned alot. Really fills in a black hole of info on the Dodgers war years. Very cool that your father was at Pearl Harbor on the Nevada. Wasn’t that the only ship that got underway that day? I had two uncles in WWII. One on the aircraft carrier Bunker Hill when it was hit by a Kamikaze. Do you know what attendance was like in those war years? I had forgotten that Big Poison and Little Poison played for the Dodgers.
Yes, the Nevada was the only battleship to get underway during the attack. The photo shows her beached at Hospital Point. She was berthed right behind the Arizona, so there were no other ships blocking her way out. Attendance in 1942 was 1,037,785. 43, 663,739. 44, 605,905, 45 1,054,220. Except for 44, the Dodgers led the NL in attendance every season.
I’ve consistently and repeatedly written that I want to live with Betts and Lux as the full time middle infielders so there is no reason that I would change my mind now.
I prefer Edmonds at third. Since Roberts insists on keeping Pages in CF it would seem there is a good chance Pages will see more time in CF. Keeping Pages in CF is getting old for me though.
Thank you Bear for then article, it’s obvious that baseball and baseball players were very intertwined in the WWII. One thing that the article got me thinking about was the win numbers the Dodgers had 100, and 104, the Giants had 97, this was in a 154 game season, those are some impressive numbers, but there must have been some really bad teams in the NL for the Dodgers and Giants to rack up that kind of win total.
I may be the lone voice in the wilderness, but I still think Pages goes to OKC, and Rosario becomes the RF platoon partner with Heyward.
I agree with you guys who think Mookie should go to RF, I think we would be much better on defense, plus before Mookie got hurt I was starting to worry that playing SS was starting to affect his offense. His numbers were falling off a little before he got hurt, it could have been one of the normal ups and downs all players experience during the season, who knows. His offense is probably more important to us than his ability to play SS, so I say play him where ever his offense is going to be the least impacted.
St. Loius won 106 games in 1942 when they won the NL pennant. The Dodgers, Cardinals, Reds and Pirates were the only teams over .500 in 1941. Cardinals, Dodgers, Giants and Reds the only ones over .500 in 42. The 41 Phillies lost 111 games, and the Braves, in Boston then, lost 94, the Cubs 84 and the Giants, 79. The Dodgers beat the Braves and Phillies 18 times in 41. Giants and Reds, 14, Cubs 13, Pirates, 12 and they were 11-11 against the Cardinals. In 1942 the Dodgers beat the Phillies 18 times, Cubs, Braves, Pirates, 16, Reds 15, Giants 14 and they were 9-13 against the pennant winning Cardinals. Which is why they lost the pennant. The Phillies lost 109 games in 1942.
Please. Take Pages out of center. Edman is fast and athletic. He’s played there before. We have plenty of infielders, we need athleticism in the outfield.
Sign me up for your wagon Badger, I’m with you on that, he was necessary there earlier in the season, he did what the team needed at the time, now they have better options, It’s time to send him back to OKC to work on his game. Come playoff time I want veterans on the squad, not shakey rookies that are still trying to figure things out.
Won’t argue that Keith. But this year some rookies are going to have to help get us there.
Just a pointed and biased observation:
The Dodgers were in a cold spell last time they played the Phillies. Now the Phillies are in a cold spell. This is baseball.
It’s just very unlucky for a team to be in a cold spell when the playoffs start.
Good point Bluto.
I think the Dodgers were, and still are, thinking adding some pros like Ohtani, Glasnow, Yamamoto and Teoscar would help accomplish what has been missing in October. Obviously they can’t have Mookie and Freddie go flat again but you just never know who will be hot in post season play.
Agreed
Last night Pages made the second out of the 7th inning. With a one run lead why was he still playing center in the top of the 8th?
I agree with those who say Betts should go back to right field. The Dodgers could either put Edman or Rojas at SS, although I suspect Edman with play CF. We all saw first hand last night how a bad defensive play could cost a team big time in the playoffs.
I’ve said all year I didn’t like Mookie at short. But that appears to be where the Dodgers want him. Rojas will get his opportunities off the bench. I too see Edman in center, sure hope he can hit after so much time off. As for Rosario, Taylor, Ahmed, Kiermaier, I don’t know, especially when Muncy gets back.
Excellent piece on the War Years, Bear.
Fun win. Very enjoyable game. I very much enjoyed the Phillies broadcast last night. I will watch them again, as I just can’t take Jessica Mendoza for another series.
The announcers speculated that Glasnow found something after giving up the triple, 2 singles and the wild pitch in the 2nd, and settled in to dominate. Good point but I don’t think he found anything mechanical. What he found was his composure. He’s a bit high strung and I think he was really pissed off at Pages and let that carry through the inning. Between innings he refocused, dropped his frustration and dominated.
Centerfield has become a blackhole or sorts. I understand the official scoring on the triple but to me, that’s an error on Pages. Ordinary effort by a Major League outfielder says he makes that catch. If I’m a veteran, between innings, I’m getting on his ass about playing better. Piss poor route.
Freddie’s reception by the fans and fellow players was extra special. You could see how touched he’s was by the moment. Phillies TV did a wonderful job of explaining the moment to the fans back home who may not have been aware what was going on. It’s so good to have him back and his son getting healthy again.
This is a really shitty umpiring crew. The Chief, Marvin Hudson, is too damned fat and can’t bend over to call pitches. And I’m not looking forward to CK getting Hunter Wendelstedt behind the dish, today. He is one of my top 3 worst.
I will give the new umpires and replacement guy credit. Not for being proficient but for looking fit and more athletic than their predecessors. The old fat-boy umpires appear to be discouraged by MLB.
During the Phillies broadcast, every 3 innings an on air graphic came on the screen from “bet365”. It solicited quick live bets, with odds, for shit like “will Harper get a hit this at bat”? I’ve seen on air ads for the Official MLB Betting Site but I’d never seen on-line betting promoted by the broadcast booth, in real time. I think it’s so hypocritical to condemn player’s wagering and having live sports book gambling while the game is in progress.
Struggling you finally get a pitch and crush it up the middle and the second baseman makes the impossible play ever and throws you out. Will Smith must feel like he’ll never get a hit.
It’s refreshing to see the Dodgers with only 5 strikeouts. Coming in, they had 130 K’s in 11 games.
Check the schedule and the standing to see where the Dodgers could put Will on the 10 day DL. He’s beat and it shows. He needs a rest for the stretch.
Put him on the IL, bring up Feducca and use he and Barnes. Felucca gets some PT and Will recovers and gets his strength and stroke back.
I think eventually the Phillies are the team to beat in the NL, so wins over them are extra rewarding.
Don´t be too hard on Pages. He is not a cf , never was , never will be. He has been filling in when the Dodgers needed someone to play there and produce at last decent offensive numbers. He has kept his head above water and is doing what he can.
He should be platooning in rf.
Was surprised they did not bring in Kiermayr after AG last at bat in the 7th. After all that is what Kiermayr is on the roster to begin with.
Go Ddogers!!!!!!!!!!!!
Kiermaier. Sheesh Ram,
Agree about the error on Pages. The judgment on hit or error is “should the play have been made”. The answer is yes.
Home plate umpiring. Some are worse than others but even the good ones make critical errors.
I think giving Will a rest in August is a good idea.
The Phillies are too good to keep playing like this. I just hope they play like this in October.
Now that betting is so “in your face everywhere” isn’t it time to forgive Rose? He didn’t cheat. Gambling is an addiction that is promoted by MLB, and cheating is acceptable as well. Might be time to put all the cheaters in the Hall too.
Re: umpiring…maybe calling balls and strikes just isn’t as simple as it used to be since so many pitchers are throwing so hard with crazy spin rates. With late breaks on pitches it’s easier to be fooled. Not trying to make excuses but it’s possible. Bring on the robo umps!
I failed to bring Pete up in the conversation but since all the promotion of gambling by MLB, I agree his case needs to be revisited.
Phil— agreed. But Rose is his own worst enemy. I think if he wasn’t such a d**k he might have been reinstated by now.
Rose bet on the team he was managing. He agreed to the banishment.
My stand and always will be. He agreed to the lifetime ban. Pete made himself into a great player and then ruined it for himself. I do not think baseball has altered the rules on gambling for players and managers. They still cannot gamble on baseball. Leo Durocher spent hours at racetracks all over the country, but betting on baseball is still taboo. Just like Bonds and all of the other known PED users, they made the choice.
He agreed to a lifetime ban? So what? I’ll bet some of us in here signed on to a “til death do us part” agreement and got out of it.
I’ll agree that his behavior over the years has been somewhat reprehensible but the Hall is filled with degenerates and miscreants. Isn’t it about baseball?
Forgive the old man. And while we’re at it, forgive Shoeless Joe too.
Doesn’t accountability matter any longer? I think Rose was forgiven a long time ago by most fans but that doesn’t give him the right to the Hall of Fame. I read about people who have committed murder that have been forgiven by the family of the victim, does that person that committed the murder have the right to be freed? Our society is made up of many different opinions and philosophy views. I’m not saying you’re wrong Badger, my world is pretty black and white, not much grey. If people can’t forgive with their hearts that’s on them. There are things I would have a real time forgiving. But if you commit the crime you have to live with the verdict especially when you agreed to the verdict. Again Badger thank you for your service. Vietnam and Korea were hard for me to understand why we were there but the soldiers that served are heroes in my mind.
Rose contends he agreed to the “lifetime” ban with Bart Giamatti (to keep Rose out of prison) but the deal was actually for a year. Bart agreed to drop the ban after that. That’s Pete’s story. The problem was good ole Bart died shortly after. There is no record that, that deal was made so all the Commissioners later have stayed with that decision.
I was standing on soap boxes explaining Pete’s guilt of one of the 2 cardinal sins of baseball. I had ZERO sympathy.
But the open betting and promotion of sanctioned betting on an Official MLB website, has changed my mind.
Pete’s guilty as hell but it’s bullshit, the hypocracy of MLB.
That’s my opinion. I never thought I would speak on Pete behalf. He’s his own worst enemy. But MLB is promoting gambling but punishing who do.
Everybody gambles on teams and always have. I know guys that had to get back to AAA to afford the card games. They were way beyond their means when in the MLB card games.
A lot different than marrying someone. That involves two very different personalities. This involves a rule known by all who play the game, and it is posted in every clubhouse in professional baseball. He agreed to it, and he should stand by that agreement. Baseball has allowed him to petition for reinstatement, and he has done so. So far, no commissioner has seen fit to reinstate him. Probably because he has shown no contrition or has, he apologized to the game or the fans. Indeed, he has been pretty defiant and arrogant about the whole thing. I think somewhere down the road, he will probably get elected. That remains to be seen.
Thanks Phil. Like I said, I love history, and this was definitely a historic time for the game and the world. Ted Williams did not see combat during his stint in the Marines in WWII, he was a flight trainer. But in the Korean War, Ted flew over 30 missions in Panther Jets. He also had to ditch a couple of times.
He missed 3 seasons during WW II. Won’t dispute where he served or in what capacity but it was military.
five seasons total
I’m no GM and typically don’t try to be. But I will, in this case, add my thoughts to the many who speculate what should happen when the IL position players return.
So I’m reading all the ideas for the 13 position players in the not too distant future. And my head blew up. Let’s look at the position players soon to come back and one’s already available. I’m including Edman because I don’t know any better and not including Muncy, for the same reason.
I’ll speculate that Edman’s will be back. I don’t know why since he hasn’t played all year? But AF got him, I will speculate it was for this year. Wouldn’t he need some MiLB time to get right?
Between the possible infield and outfield combinations, I came up with about 6,227,020,800 possible lineups.
So, I needed to whittle that down. That’s too many, for even Doc.
So, I decided to look at a lineup and roster based on SPLITS, for 2024, including Edman, from 2023.
Here’s a list of all the position players and their BA and splits for 2024, as of yesterday, leaving out the set position players, who are locked into their spots; Freeman, Smith/Barnes, Mookie at SS and Ohtani:
Name – position – season BA, RHP BA & LHP BAOPS
Lux – 2nd – .241 RHP=.248/.698 LHP= .182/.410
Nick Ahmed – SS. .231. RHP=.191/.482, LHP=.296/.735
Rojas – utility. .271. RHP=.275/.704, LHP= .264/.751
Biggio – utility. .197. RHP=.199/.648, LHP=.185/.467
Kike – utility. .212. RHP=.212/.613. LHP=.215/.611
CT3 -utility. .167 RHP=.170/.552 LHP=.161/.526 on IL
Rosario – utility .306, RHP = .292/.702, LHP = .330/.822
Tommy Edman – utility. last played in 2023. RHP=.248/.694 LHP=.250/731
Kevin Keirmaier – CF only (1 gm in RF) .190 RHP=.199/.560 LHP=.159/.449
Outman – CF .149 RHP=.151/.543 LHP=.133/.369
Pages – CF/RF .240 RHP=.217/.624 LHP=.313/.799
Heyward – RF .207 RHP=.196/.666, LHP=.333/.917
Teoscar – RF/LF .267 RHP=.257/.768 LHP=.296/.971
Take a long look at these stats and come up with your own scenario.
Things to note: there are 6 legit utility players on this list not including the outfielders that can move around out there. Ahmed and Kiermaier are one position guys along with the Big Five who are locks.
So, based on splits, here’s my 13 position player roster, if and when everybody but Muncy and CT3 got healthy: (this is not the batting order)
DH – Ohtani
C – Smith / Barnes
1st – Freeman
SS – Mookie
3rd – Rojas (waiting on Muncy)
LF – Teoscar
2nd – Lux (.248) v RHP and Rosario (.330) v LHP
RF – Heyward (.207) v RHP and Pages (.313) v LHP
CF – Edman / Keirmeier to keep Pages out of centerfield
I’m reluctantly keeping Keirmaier but an eyelash from saying BYE and DFA if/when Muncy returns. See how Edman does. He could be the everyday guy in center with no platoon, and I’m more the fine with that. It depends on how Edman returns.
These 13 guys stay and w/ only 3 platoons, including catcher.
Casualties:
Ahmed – DFA (too bad, I like the guy)
Biggio – DFA
Kike – DFA – hard parting with a fan favorite and a knack for the moment
CT3 – permanent resident of the IL
Outman – OKC. See ya next year.
Did you reverse Heyward’s splits, Phil? You have him batting way better against lefties, something that just doesn’t sound right.
I know that STB, but Heyward is going nowhere. He’s coming back into form and is such an asset in other ways, I ignored his splits.
Plus while he’s hitting .308/.846 v LHP and it’s 4 for 13. Too few at bats to make that move.
Hey Phil,
the best ss we have is Ahmed. He will be cut because he just can’t hit but I like him as u do. I just don’t think they will let Kiké go. He plays most everywhere and can play cf. many feel Edmans best position is second base. I believe Kiermaier will be cut. If he is on the bench in the 9th last night why do we need him. With Muncy back:
Ohtani dh
1b freeman
2b lux
ss betts
3b Muncy
lf teo
cf Edman
rf Heyward
bench
barnes Kiké Rojas Rosario
I believe the last spot will be Rosario/pages
cut Kiermaier Ahmad
il Taylor
3a pages, outman
TRT, barring any other injuries, I think you’ve got the thirteen position players the FO will use. I’m not sure which is right or wrong but it’s fun to try to predict what the team will do. You’ve got my vote in the prediction race
Thanks,
very tough calls barring injury. Outman and pages can go down with options. If they were playing real well it would be tougher. AF tends to opt toward veterans. The pitching decisions are going to be tough. I would like to c Brasier return.
Good list TEN. I think Kike would be a tough decision, as I said, but I based my list on Splits and Kike’s line of:
Kike – utility. .212. RHP=.212/.613. LHP=.215/.611
Just doesn’t cut it competitively, for me.
STB said AF mentioned that CT3 would be back. If that is the case Rosario could be cut.
Same argument TEN, based on Splits:
Rosario – utility .306, RHP = .292/.702, LHP = .330/.822
CT3 -utility. .167 RHP=.170/.552 LHP=.161/.526 on IL
Apparently it’s so important to save CT3’s bloated contract then to try to win?
I agree Phil but my biggest fear is they will put Kershaw and/or Buehler in the playoff rotation whether they deserve it or not.(provided we make the playoffs) It could get real ugly tonight.
Dodgers need to DFA Taylor and move on.
While I mean and represent nothing, I advocated for this when Taylor was playing abysmally.
Now that he’s playing at a passable level I don’t see the team doing it
Cut a .300 hitter to keep two guys hitting down by the Mendoza line? That is ridiculous. Ahmed will go before that.
Who is platooning with Lux, Edmond, Hayward?
Rosario and Pages are perfect matches for Lux and Hayward.
Kiki stays over Rosario and Pages? Doc would have to smoke some serious crack to do that but then again I’m talking about Doc and Doc does doc stuff, stupid stuff.
I forgot. An argument can be made that Muncy needs a platoon partner.
Bruce Kuntz has has updated Dodger Top 50 Prospect List out today and the top 10 are really encouraging. Here’s a link.
ESPN.com this morning also had the post trade deadline rankings, and we’re #3
Pages is no centerfielder that is a given. His rookie warts are showing. One huge wart, especially for an outfielder, is a complete lack of power. He has not hit a homer in 46 games. Power is supposed to be part of his game, and he showed some early in the year. Teo has really grown on me, and I could see AF bringing him back on a three-year deal. Glad to see Rushing getting his shot at AAA. Let’s see how the LF experiment works out. Ohtani stole his 32nd base and could become the only 40/40 guy in Dodgers history and only the sixth in the majors. He would also be the first Dodger to 40 homers since Bellinger hit 47 in 2019. The Dodgers should look for a full-time centerfielder this winter. I believe there will be some trades this offseason of some of their prospect talent. I also believe Outman is going to be one of those leaving the organization.
I could see some of these prospects getting moved in the off season in trades.
good game last night. Impressive win. Not trying to complain, but yeesh Pages is horrendous in CF. I know he got a hit later in the game. Amy as well play Keirmaier there until Edman arrives and Pages can play some right field, or just bench him entirely. He’s been poor overall. below average bat, and defensive skills.
Roy Gleason spring training photo
Bear, loved the article. I think Ted Williams was really screwed. He served in WW II and then was recalled for Korea. From what I have read he was really pissed. It would have been interesting to see what he would have done if he didn’t get recalled.
He was so good at gunnery, that during WWII he was assigned as a trainer. When the war ended, he was in Pearl Harbor waiting to ship out as a replacement. He was discharged by the Marines and went back to playing ball. When the Korean War escalated in 1952, he was recalled, and yes, he was really pissed. He was 34 and had a wife and young family. But, when he realized there was no way to get around it, he decided to do the best he could, and he requested jet training. He flew Panther jets on 39 missions as a member of VMF-311. They flew a lot of ground support and bombing missions out of K-3 in Korea. He crash landed on his 3rd mission, and barely got away. The plane burned up. But he was up and ready to fly the next day. VMF-311 was an elite Marine outfit. He was the wingman for John Glenn. You would figure out he missed almost 5 full years. If you use his projected numbers for those years, of which three were in his prime, and 2 in his mid 30’s, he would have finished with 706 homers, if you added 37 times 5, 2489 driven in, and 3,399 hits.
I am still not ready to get up and stay seated for more than 30 minutes a day. My knee is sore, but that is minor compared to the pain in my lower leg (shin and calf). I had a nerve block when I was able to write last time, but that has since worn off and the pain is extreme. I did get to watch my first baseball game in a week, and the good guys won.
I have my next in home physical therapy session on Wednesday.
I will work hard to get better, you all just keep pushing the Dodgers to the finish line.
Best wishes to you , Jeff!!!!!!!!!!
Take the pain killers and if they are not enough ask for something stronger. My mother in law had the same problems after double knee replacment surgery.
She is a tough, tough lady but as you said the pain can really be extreme.
Go Dodgers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
All is good Jeff, just get well.
If Kershaw struggles tonyte what will be the Dudgers plans to replace him in starting pitching rotation or the look for someone to aquire this late in the season. Options would be Wobeski Buehler who didnt look good and Miller hmm what will they do. Think they should have gotten two starters at deadline now what’s going to be the plan. Number four starter in playoff rotation. Guess it would be the rookie River Ryan.
Only way they can get anyone is off of waivers, and all the teams below them have to pass on that player first. Yamamoto should be back by late August or early September. He is on the 40-man on the IL, so he is eligible for the post-season. Going into the post-season with Glasnow, Flaherty, Stone, Yamamoto and Ryan as a fallback, is not a bad rotation. Wrobleski, Buehler, and Miller would be more emergency adds. All we can do for Kersh is hope he pitches much better than he has the second time out. First was not too bad. None of the minor league guys seem ready for prime time except maybe Knack. I would have liked to see them get two, but possibly the price was too high.
Ryte
Kershaw did not struggle. He did pretty well and gave up 1 run in 4.2 innings. Graterol hurt and now looks like he will miss the rest of the season.
Andrew was on MLB this morning (MLB Now) and BK asked him how much we would see Mookie at shortstop for the remainder of the year. AF’s answer was something to the effect of “a fair amount”.
That would indicate he would also play some games at a position other than shortstop, but he didn’t indicate if those games would be at 2B or the outfield, or maybe both.
He said they would be discussing how to use the roster when all the guys have returned and that discussion would happen within the next couple of days. Also indicated that Mookie, Rojas, Max, Edman and CT would all be back this year and to me it sounded as though they might all be back by the end of the month.
Great information!
Much appreciated.
No surprise there STB. This organization loves platoons and the more the better. That will keep Mookie and the other pieces all moving around with different lineups daily. Just like usual. They think it works.
Speaking of moving guys around, OKC manager says Rushing will be used exclusively in LF to begin his stay there.
Former Dodger Billy Bean passed away today.
He was one of the first openly gay players in the game. He has been working in the Commissioners office. He was 60 years old and died of leukemia
Lineup for tonight’s game. Ohtani DH, Hernandez, LF, Freeman,1B, Smith, C, Rosario, 2B, Hernandez, 3B, Pages, RF, Ahmed, SS, Kiermaier, CF, Kershaw, P, Yamamoto is throwing a bullpen right now.
That’s a platoon I had in mind with Rosario and Lux. I like this lineup. Especially if Kiermaier could get a knock.
Aren’t the Phillies throwing a lefty? Why would kermaier be in against a lefty? Is his splits better vs. lefty? I guess they have no one else. When Edman is here he would be in.
Ten, not significantly.
Kevin Keirmaier – CF only (1 gm in RF) .190 RHP=.199/.560 LHP=.159/.449
Not good anyway you stack it.
Just to summarize:
Catcher Dalton Rushing, shortstop Alex Freeland, and right-hander Edgardo Henriquez were all are now in AAA in OKC. Rushing will play primarily in LF.
OF Chris Newell (off of a single A leading 23 HRs) and Noah Miller (from Minnesota for Margot) both were promoted to AA and Tulsa. Starting pitcher Hyun-il Choi and infielder/outfielder Brendon Davis also returned to Tulsa after brief stints with Oklahoma City.
Pitcher Kendall Williams, the lottery ticket acquired from the Blue Jays was released.
Infielder Sean McLain was promoted to High-A Great Lakes along with 20 year old Juan Alonso and pitcher Christian Ruebeck.
Pitcher Christian Romero was sent back to the Loons and OF Luis Rodriguez (2018 IFA) was released as was RHP Madison Jeffrey.
In LOW A:
IF Eduardo Guerrero a 19 year old was sent to Rancho along with 18 yo Eduardo Quintero, Sterling Patrick (18 round pick)
Quintero hit .330/.459/.449 in the ACL,
Pitcher Gabe Emmett was placed on the injured list and Moises Brito was released.
1st round pick Shortstop Kellon Lindsey and 4th round pick P Jakob Wright, were assigned to Arizona. The ACL season is over, but there are still informal games
Rodríguez turned into a real disappointment. He was a highly rated IFA who flamed out.
Henriquez was my pick to move up. He did from low a to triple a. He has flat out electric stuff. Coming back from Tommy John. He will be on the mlb roster next year. They are probably trying to ease him through to keep him healthy but he has the stuff.
kendal Williams another disappointment.
Sean McLain is the brother of the Cincinnati McLain. I hope he is as good.
Newell big time power
i like Choi organizational pitcher of the year a couple of years ago until an injury set him back.
good info. The GOAT is on top of his game.
Baseball America just put out there new HOT sheet ($$$$)
BA Hot Sheet
https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories/ranking-the-20-hottest-mlb-prospects-hot-sheet-8-6-24/
Dodgers had FOUR of the 20 hottest prospects this week:
1) Morales, SS
2) Ferris, LHP
13) Rushing, C (LF?)
16) Zazueta, RHP
Ferris and Zazueta are trade gains in 2023. Zazueta is the 19YO from the Yankees acquired for Caleb Ferguson.
Last three starts at Rancho:
13IP / 6H / 6BB / 16 SO
Per Fabian Ardaya Yamamoto will travel with the team and face hitter in Milwaukee. Don’t want to get my hopes up too much but he will be a shot in the arm for the rotation.
Also per Ardaya Rojas will DH at Rancho tonight and maybe activated tomorrow.Betts will play short and bat second to split the lefties.
Here is a recent blog response complaint taken directly from a Phillies board:
But Thomson won’t say anything. He just will say the pitcher we faced was really good. Won’t get on his team about their poor approaches at the plate. Kevin Long gets to coast and keep his job while contributing nothing over 3 years.
Now, let’s change the names from Phillies specific to Dodgers specific:
But Roberts won’t say anything. He just will say the pitcher we faced was really good. Won’t get on his team about their poor approaches at the plate. Van Scoyoc gets to coast and keep his job while contributing nothing over 3 years.
You gotta admit this is awesome.
Dead Germans is awesome
Blue horseshoe likes Anacott Steel?
For those of you who have been following Sasaki and the possibility of our signing him this winter or some other time in the future, here’s a link to the most comprehensive article I’ve seen on the player and the various ramifications around his possible signing.
A very worthwhile read if you are interested in Roki:
I read somewhere that the Dodgers Front Office were privately VERY concerned about Kershaw
Yes they were. They are less concerned now.
Kershaw good tonight against a good hitting team. It seems like he has to work so hard just to get an out. Mb he should just pitch at Dodger stadium. Graterol out again.
AF loaded this team in the off-season and injuries keep unloading it. WTF
Kiermaier might catch Outman’s stats on his way down. He’s barely above Outman’s OPS. Probably. 1 or maybe 2 more outs he makes without getting a hit he’ll be below Outman’s OPS and not long before catching his AB.
That was one heck of a throw by Pages, I haven’t been his biggest fan of late, but man that was exciting
Anybody else feel the earthquake
I did. And it’s a long way from me.
I’m over by LAX, and it was a soft little roller
It doesn’t matter for Kiermaier, Outman or Pages none of them will be on the major league roster in about 10 to 15 days
I hope I live 100 years and never see Austin Barnes pinch-hit for kevin kiermaier again.
That last thing in my post was supposed to say BA batting average not AB.
I wonder if Doc has ever heard of the baseball term upside?
And that hit by Pages was against a right-hander, not his strength.
That’s why Pages should not be in center. Great throw.
Earthquake was 5.1 between Frazier Park and Bakersfield
I’m glad I wasn’t bass fishing on Pyramid lake when that happened
I don’t think Teoscar is going to have problems getting a fair multi year contract offer this year.