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Whatever Happened to Knuckleball Pitchers?

                                                  There was a time when there were several pitchers in the majors who threw perhaps the most baffling pitch of all, the knuckleball. It is really not an accurate description of the pitch since most of the grips I have seen use the fingertips and not the actual knuckle. Knuckleballers over the years have had some success, and some have been no so successful. As of right now, only one major leaguer uses the knuckleball as his primary pitch, Matt Waldron of the Padres. 

                                                                 The Dodgers have not had a knuckleball pitcher since 2001. That pitcher was Dennis Springer. Springer was drafted by the Dodgers in the 21st round of the 1987 June draft. He was drafted out of Cal State Fresno. He pitched in the system and got as far as AAA Albuquerque in 92. After the season he was declared a free agent and signed with the Phillies in May of 1994. He pitched in 4 games for the Phillies in 95 and was granted free agency after the season.

                                                                He was signed by the Angels and spent 96-97 in Anaheim getting into 52 games, 43 as a starter. He was taken by the Rays in the 97-expansion draft. He got into 29 games, 17 as a starter. He was with the Marlins in 99, the Mets in 2000. He resigned with the Dodgers in 2001 in May. He would get into 4 games for LA at the end of the season. On October 7th, in San Francisco, Springer surrendered Barry Bonds record setting 73rd homer in the first inning of the Dodgers 2-1 loss to the Giants. The homer came off of a 43-MPH knuckler. He pitched in 1 game for LA in 02 and was released.

                                                                The creator of the knuckleball has never been firmly established. But several pitchers began using it in the early 20th century. Baseball statistician and historian, Rob Neyer, named four players in a 2004 book, The Neyer/James Book of Pitchers, who could have potentially taken credit. When Nap Rucker came up to Brooklyn, he mainly threw hard stuff in 1907. But he changed to the knuckler

                                                                  An article published in 1908 gave Lew Moren, a pitcher for the Pirates and Phillies, who debuted in 1903, the credit. Others give credit to Eddie Cicotte, who debuted for the Tigers in 1905 and earned the nickname “Knuckles” for his signature pitch. Then there was Ed Summers, who was shown holding what was called, a dry spitter, when he debuted for the Tigers in 1908. No matter who invented the pitch, it was a legitimate weapon in a pitcher’s arsenal early on. 

                                                                The main problem with the knuckleball was simply controlling it. You never knew where exactly the ball was going to go. But many early knuckleballers has success. Rucker, who pitched on some really bad Brooklyn teams, was 134-134 in his career with a really good 2.42 ERA. He had 43 wild pitches in his 10-year career. Cicotte, before he ruined his career by taking bribes with the 1919 Black Sox, was one of the premier pitchers in the AL. He finished with a 209-148 record and a 2.38 career ERA in 14 seasons. He was actually better at the end of his career. The Chicago eight were not banned until after the 1920 season. Cicotte won 21 in 1920.

                                                                 Lew Moren only pitched for seven years and had a losing record. Ed Summers pitched for just five major league seasons. In 1918 a young right-hander named Jessie Haines, debuted for the Reds and pitched 5 shutout innings. He was sent back to the minors and in 1920, his contract was purchased for 10,000 dollars from the Kansas City team in the American Association. For the next 18 years, he would pitch for the Cardinals, appearing in four World Series, one as a member of the 1934 Gas House Gang, and end up being elected to the Hall of Fame by the Veterans Committee in 1970. 

                                                                  Haines won 20 or more games three times and finished with a career mark of 210-158. He was a member of two Cardinal Championship teams, 1926 over the Yankees, and the 34 win over the Tigers. He was not a strikeout pitcher; he had just 981 in his career. He walked 871. He had pretty decent control of his knuckler sine he only had 55 wild pitches in 18 years. He was 3-1 in World Series play and had a homer and 3 RBIs in series play to his credit. He is one of four pitchers in the Hall who used the knuckleball as their primary pitch.

                                                                  The next great knuckleball pitcher came up to the White Sox in 1923. Ted Lyons. Lyons would win 260 games in the majors and he lost 230. He has the 4th highest ERA of any pitcher in the Hall, 3.67. He is also the only pitcher in the Hall with more walks than strikeouts. He won 20 or more three times. Lyon would lose 3 full seasons to military service during WWII. He was elected to the Hall in 1955. He retired after the 1946 season.

Hoyt Wilhelm

                                                                  In 1952, a 29-year-old right-handed pitcher debuted for the New York Giants. He would appear in 71 games for the Giants, winning 15 games and losing 3, with 11 saves. His ERA was 2.43, leading the National League. He finished 2nd in the ROY voting to the Dodgers Joe Black. Black had a lower ERA at 2.13, but not enough innings to qualify for the ERA title. The pitcher was Hoyt Wilhelm, and his name would become synonymous with the knuckleball. 21 years later, Wilhelm would end his career as a Dodger, pitching in 16 games. Hoyt would finish with a 143-122 record and 211 saves. He played for nine different teams over his 21-year career. He was elected to the Hall in 1985 by the BBWAA.

                                                                 In 1964, the only knuckleballer to record 300 wins debuted for the Milwaukee Braves. Phil Niekro would need three seasons before he cemented himself into the Braves starting rotation. In 1967, he won the NL’s ERA title with a 1.87 ERA. He led the league in wins two times and losses four. He never won a Cy Young award, and his highest finish came in his 1969 season when he was 23-13 and finished 2nd. He won 20 three times and lost 20 twice. He pitched for 24 years, 21 of those spent with the Braves. He was 318-274 over his career. He was elected to the Hall in 1997 by the BBWAA. His brother, Joe, debuted in 1967 with the Cubs. He would pitch for 22 years for 7 different teams winning 221-202. 539 wins between the two brothers. Joe is not in the Hall. in his only year on the ballot, he got just 1.3% of the vote. 

                                                                 Three other knuckleballers have won 200 or more games, two of them at one time played for the Dodgers. Freddie Fitzsimmons, 217-146, Charlie Hough, 216-215, and Tim Wakefield, 200-180. Wilbur Wood, one of just five left-handers to throw the pitch, won 164 games and lost 156. In 1960 Paul Richards designed a glove that was 45 inches to help catch Wilhelm’s knuckle ball. In 1963, MLB banned the glove and now catchers’ gloves can be no bigger than 38 inches. Bob Uecker once famously observed that the easiest way to catch a knuckleball was to wait until it stopped rolling and then pick it up. This might be why it is not widely practiced anymore, but I think it is because teams value velocity. 

 

 

 

 

Michael Norris

Born June 14th, 1948, in Los Angeles California. AKA The Bear

Born June 14th, 1948, in Los Angeles California. AKA The Bear

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Cassidy
Cassidy
22 days ago

It’s because of climate change!

Dionysus
Dionysus
22 days ago
Reply to  Cassidy

It’s Reagan’s fault!

Badger
Badger
21 days ago
Reply to  Dionysus

He was plenty worse, but, there were worser.

Jeff Dominique
Admin
22 days ago

I agree with your assessment that today, organizations look for power pitchers.

I am partial to Tim Wakefield for personal reasons. He liked to pitch to my son.

Last edited 21 days ago by Jeff Dominique
Bumsrap
Bumsrap
21 days ago
Reply to  Jeff Dominique

Delete the first “pitch to my son.” and everything makes sense.

Dionysus
Dionysus
21 days ago
Reply to  Jeff Dominique

You good, Jeff?

Duke Not Snider
Duke Not Snider
22 days ago

Zach Root!!!

Badger
Badger
22 days ago

He am Root.

Dionysus
Dionysus
21 days ago
Reply to  Badger

And you are Root and we are Root and we are all together

Badger
Badger
21 days ago

If anyone could master a knuckle ball they could find work. I doubt anyone will. What I would like to see more of is the knuckle curve (Webb has a good one) and the Hershiser two seamer, which darts down both left and right depending on thumb placement. Both these pitches are thrown with less stress on the arm. High and tight, low and away. Has worked since the Babe was a baby.

Plaschke at it again, predicting no 3-peat. His rationale? Luck will run out on an aging team. Baseball is highly unpredictable. The money favors the field in early betting. Plaschke is taking the field.

Dionysus
Dionysus
21 days ago
Reply to  Badger

Who?

Badger
Badger
21 days ago
Reply to  Dionysus

Who what?

Dionysus
Dionysus
21 days ago
Reply to  Badger

Who the fook reads that guy

Badger
Badger
21 days ago
Reply to  Dionysus

Those who read the LA Times Sports Section, which is millions. Bill is a 9 time winner of national sports columnist of the year award from the Associated Sports Editors.

Bumsrap
Bumsrap
21 days ago
Reply to  Dionysus

Knock knock

Jeff Dominique
Admin
21 days ago

Michael Conforto has made the Cubs OD roster. He will probably go off against the Dodgers.

Bumsrap
Bumsrap
21 days ago
Reply to  Jeff Dominique

I always believed the reason the Dodgers kept Conforto was they thought SD would grab him.

OhioDodger
OhioDodger
21 days ago
Reply to  Bumsrap

I always believed the reason they kept him was that AF overspent on him and didn’t want to admit it was a bust.

Badger
Badger
21 days ago
Reply to  OhioDodger

Conforto was just in a slump. A slump that lasted every month but July. when he OPS’d .827. I think the Cubs plan to keep on the bench til the 4th, then turn him loose on the league.

philjones
philjones
21 days ago

Great piece Bear. Very well researched and very informative about a pitch that has gone the way of the dodo bird.

I’ve often wondered why current struggling pitchers haven’t attempted to learn the knuckler to extend their careers. It’s easy on the arm but difficult to master. There is no pitch more hittable than a bad knuckleball; not even a hanging slider. I agree with you that the pursuit for velocity has led the pitch becoming practically extinct.

Like many infielders back in my day, I had a pretty good sideline, K-Ball. But taking it to the incline of a mound, throwing it for strikes and being able to have 100% consistency, was a different animal.
I learned the finer points of the knuckleball from a terrific veteran K-ball pitcher named Bob Tiefenauer. Bob pitched for 6 Big League teams from 1952-68. He was a traveling pitching coach in the Phillies organization after he retired. I wasn’t a pitcher but I picked his brain about the finer points of the pitch.
Infielders have the arm action to throw the pitch with a short circle that “pushes” the ball forward. And the secret to throwing it is to stride about 1/2 as long as a normal pitch. It’s easier to push the ball while standing tall and upright. Extension toward home just adds rotation. That was the secret recipe for mastering the pitch.

Thanks again for researching a pitch that I have always been fascinated with, as my dad threw a knuckler as a change up, as a skilled fast pitch pitcher. He called it his “monkey-on-a-string”.
And it would make the hitter look stupid.

Singing the Blue
Singing the Blue
21 days ago
Reply to  Michael Norris

Actually, it was the Nationals who traded for Vivas, not the Phillies, and the minor league pitcher who went to the Yanks was another former Dodger, Sean Linan.

Singing the Blue
Singing the Blue
21 days ago
Reply to  Michael Norris

I hear you. My brain is even older than yours.

Jeff Dominique
Admin
21 days ago

The LAD/CWS Spring Breakout game was a typical MiLB game involving the Dodgers. The pitchers threw hard with little to no command or control. Dodgers pitchers struck out 16 but walked 10. CWS pitcher prospects were even worse. They struck out 13 but walked 17.

Lucas Wepf and Cam Day issued 5 bases loaded walks in the 2nd inning and pushed a 3-2 CWS lead to 8-2. Wepf walked all four batters he faced. He threw 17 pitches, 2 for strikes. He also had a clock violation. Combined with Christian Zazueta’s 3 BB’s that was 8 free passes in the first two innings.

The anomaly and pitching star for the LAD prospects was LHSP Zach Root. While Root’s fastball can reach 99, it is his “secondary” pitches that are weapons. He has two fastballs: a heavy sinker that sits mid 90’s and a 4-seamer that can get up to 99. He has a fantastic plus change and curveball. He is also working on an intriguing slider. And he thrwos them all for strikes. Root faced 10 batters, retiring the first 8. After the 9th batter hit a single, Root struck out his 8th batter. Root faces 10 batters and strikes out 8. ZERO walks for a LAD pitcher. How refreshing.

I do not know how Zach fared in his “B” game starts, but this was impressive. He showed enough in this game, that he should start no lower than Great Lakes, and should get pushed to AA during the year. He is a 22 year old LHP with a unique delivery that his can maintain. 

James Tibbs III continued his impressive power hitting with a 401’ oppo HR. He walked his other three PA, the last one with the bases loaded giving him 4 RBI in the game.

C Francisco Espinoza (who just turned 19 last week) was 1-2 with a run scoring single and a BB. He did allow 2 SB and caught none. This is a phase of the LAD game I hope they address.

Mike Sirota reached base 3 times with 2 singles and a walk in 4 PA. He continues to look legit. Zyhir Hope also reached based 3 times in 4 PA with a single and 2 BB.

Josue De Paula and C Victor Rodrigues both doubled. Besides his double, De Paula also walked twice in 4 PA.

13 of 17 LAD hitters reached base. All starters reached at least once.

Jeff Dominique
Admin
21 days ago

A shocker for me. Hyeseong Kim was optioned to OKC meaning Alex Freeland will be on the 26-man to open the season. I do not know the reason.

Last edited 21 days ago by Jeff Dominique
Badger
Badger
21 days ago
Reply to  Jeff Dominique

Shocker to as well. From what I saw Kim was playing much better.

Another example of “what do I know?”

Jeff Dominique
Admin
21 days ago
Reply to  Badger

I think it is more of what we don’t know.

Bobby
Bobby
21 days ago
Reply to  Jeff Dominique

I know what I don’t know, and that is everything.

But congrats to Freeland; I liked what I saw last year. He just plays hard and I think his bat will continue to improve.

Jeff Dominique
Admin
21 days ago
Reply to  Bobby

I agree, congrats to Alex Freeland. I have been out front of my support for Alex, but I have to admit, I did not see this coming.

BTW, Bums had it partially correct with Freeland making the OD roster. He just thought that it would be over Espinal and not Kim.

Bumsrap
Bumsrap
21 days ago
Reply to  Jeff Dominique

Bear should stop telling me I’m crazy.😀

I read several articles saying Freeland, other than in-game hitting, was having an outstanding spring.

Last edited 21 days ago by Bumsrap
Cassidy
Cassidy
21 days ago
Reply to  Jeff Dominique

Shocked! Something there which I don’t see.

Jeff Dominique
Admin
21 days ago

Former LAD and Washington Senators catcher, Doug Camilli, passed away at the age of 89. Doug caught Sandy Koufax’s 3rd no hitter, June 4, 1964, against the Phillies. “Koufax allowed only one walk in the game. He attributed that mistake in part to shaking off Camilli on the pitch that was called ball four to the Phillies’ Dick Allen.”

RIP Doug!!

Bumsrap
Bumsrap
21 days ago
Reply to  Michael Norris

Faster not better.

Claude Osteen
Claude Osteen
19 hours ago

The site seems to be sort of working!

Michael Norris
Michael Norris
19 hours ago
Reply to  Claude Osteen

A fluke. Jeff and I are writing on Mark’s site now. We can’t even get to the admin page on Word Press

Yo Mama’s Side Piece
Yo Mama’s Side Piece
18 hours ago

I just sharted

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