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We are coming up to the Trade Deadline and the thoughts run the gamut of:

  • Dodgers do not need to do anything (this is Doc’s position)
  • Dodgers do not need to trade the farm for a superstar (Soto or Ohtani)
  • Dodgers do need to trade multiple top prospects for a superstar (Soto or Ohtani)
  • Dodgers need top of the rotation pitching (Castillo, Montas, Lopez, Skubal, Bieber)
  • Dodgers need lower tier starting pitching (Perez, Mahle, Quintana, Syndergaard, Plesac)
  • Dodgers need an extra bat (Drury, JDM, Happ)
  • Dodgers need high leverage relievers (Iglesias, Robertson, Lopez, Barlow, Soto, Bednar, Finnegan, Bard…)
  • Dodgers need setup relievers (Chafin, Fulmer, Mantiply, Bass, Schreiber, Jimenez…)

Of course there is a cost to all of this, and I for one trust AF to know which of LAD’s prospects can be leveraged, and which should be retained.  There is also the knowledge that certain MiLB players have minimal value to the receiving team.

And yet there are some deadline deals that the team dealing the prospects will trade several lottery picks.  Maybe one of those lottery picks will pan out.  The Dodgers actually have made that trade at least once, and maybe more than once.

Let’s review the prior year LAD deadline trades and let me know if you think the Dodgers made a mistake.

2015 – Two Trades

  1. Three team trade between Dodgers, Atlanta, and Miami
  • Dodgers get – Alex Wood, Mat Latos. Michael Morse, Luis Avilan, Bronson Arroyo, Jim Johnson, and Jose Peraza.
  • Dodgers lose – Hector Olivera, Jeff Brigham, Victor Araujo, Paco Rodriguez, Zach Bird, and Kevin Guzman
  1. Dodgers minor trade with Pittsburgh
  • Dodgers get – Jose Tabata
  • Dodgers lose – Michael Morse

2016 – Three Trades

  1. Trade with Houston
  • Dodgers get – RHRP Josh Fields
  • Dodgers lose – MiLB 1B Yordan Alvarez
  1. Trade with Toronto
  • Dodgers get – RHRP Jesse Chavez
  • Dodgers lose – RHP Mike Bolsinger
  1. Trade with Oakland
  • Dodgers get – LHSP Rich Hill and OF Josh Reddick
  • Dodgers lose – RHSP Frankie Montas, RHSP Jharel Cotton, and RHSP Grant Holmes (all MiLB).

2017 – Three Trades

  1. Trade with Texas
  • Dodgers get – RHSP Yu Darvish
  • Dodgers lose – 2B/OF Willie Calhoun, RHP A.J. Alexy, SS Brendon Davis (all MiLB)
  1. Trade with Cincinnati
  • Dodgers get – LHRP Tony Cingrani
  • Dodgers lose – OF Scott Van Slyke, C Henrik Clementina (MiLB)
  1. Trade with Pittsburgh
  • Dodgers get – LHRP Tony Watson
  • Dodgers lose – RHP Angel German, SS Oneil Cruz (both MiLB)

2018 – Two Trades

  1. Trade with Baltimore
  • Dodgers get – SS Manny Machado
  • Dodgers lose – OF Yusniel Diaz, 2B/SS Breyvic Valera, RHSP Dean Kremer, 2B/3B Rylan Bannon, RHRP Zach Pop
  1. Trade with Minnesota
  • Dodgers get – 2B Brian Dozier
  • Dodgers lose – 2B Logan Forsythe, LHP Devin Smeltzer, OF Luke Raley

2019 – Three Trades

  1. Trade with Houston
  • Dodgers get – 1B Tyler White
  • Dodgers lose – RHRP Andre Scrubb (MiLB)
  1. Trade with St. Louis
  • Dodgers get – INF Jedd Gyorko
  • Dodgers lose – LHRP Tony Cingrani, RHP Jeffry Abreu (MiLB)
  1. Trade with Tampa Bay
  • Dodgers get – LHRP Adam Kolarek
  • Dodgers lose – OF Niko Hulsizer (MiLB)

2020 – One Trade

  1. Trade with Toronto
  • Dodgers get – RHP Kendall Williams (MiLB)
  • Dodgers lose – RHP – Ross Stripling

2021 – Three Trades

  1. Trade with Washington
  • Dodgers get – RHSP Max Scherzer, SS Trea Turner
  • Dodgers lose – C Keibert Ruiz, RHSP Josiah Gray, RHP Gerardo Carrillo, OF Donovan Casey
  1. Trade with Kansas City
  • Dodgers get – RHP Danny Duffy
  • Dodgers lose – Cash
  1. Trade with NYM
  • Dodgers get – OF Billy McKinney
  • Dodgers lose – OF Carlos Rincón

I am sure some will point to the Josh Fields and Yordan Alvarez trade and say that was a miss.  In hindsight, absolutely.  But nobody even knew who Alvarez was when the trade went down.  Contrary to the Josh Fields haters, Fields did not pitch poorly in his 3+ years for LAD:

124 games, 117.1 IP, 2.61 ERA, 1.040 WHIP, 115 K, 34 BB, ERA + 155

His one bad mark was the number of HRs (16).  That was 1.2 per 9.0 IP.  I think the current team would take Josh’s numbers.  Evan Phillips, Yency Almonte, and Caleb Ferguson are the only relievers with better ERA.

There is not one of those trades that I find fault with.

Let’s look at another trade that AF engineered that involved a star for MiLB players.  Before 2020 season, trade with Boston Red Sox.

Dodgers get – Mookie Betts, David Price and $16MM per year for three years.

Dodgers lose – OF Alex Verdugo, SS Jeter Downs (MiLB), and C Connor Wong.

Does anyone want to consider this a mistake?

So while AF will tell everyone that the talent the Dodgers have traded is significant, only Yordan Alvarez has turned out to be an All Star.  Regardless as to what Stan Kasten may say, I will trust AF to determine which of the prospects will be traded if the return puts the Dodgers in a position to win it all in 2022.

 

 

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Singing the Blue

Do we overwhelm the Pirates and go after Bednar?
Are we willing to pay Raisel Iglesias David Price money (16 mil/year) for three years?
Is Baltimore willing to give up a good young closer type without stripping our farm system of too many good prospects?

OK Jeff, Andrew is attending a destination wedding for the next few days and has given the reins to you. It’s your decision. Who do you get and what do you trade for him?

Badger

His Sv% last year was 83%. This year it’s 86%. We can live with that I guess. We just need to make sure we have at least a 3 run lead when we bring him in.

Sam Oyed

Ok, who had Castillo going to the Mariners?

Singing the Blue

Similar to the Alvarez/Fields trade was the Oneil Cruz/Tony Watson deal. We didn’t quite know what we had because Cruz was so young and Watson did a decent job for us while he was here. Cruz is likely to become an All Star at some point, but you can’t beat yourself up over those trades when the guy you get pretty much does what you got him for and with an always-stacked farm system, you’re going to lose some good/great players every so often.

Michael Norris

When he first took over the team, I did not care for AF. I thought he got so many marginal players on the waiver wire. His first trade made no sense to me. But when he traded Kemp, I was irate, especially since he traded him in the division to the Padres. Over time what he was doing made sense and I could see that the guy knows what he is doing. For the most part, the trades he has made both at the deadline and back when you could get players up until the 31st of August, all were pretty good trades. Darvish was ok until the World Series. Machado was never close to what he was in Baltimore and totally flamed out in the Series. In 2019 only Kolarek made any kind of contribution. Both Gyorko and White were worthless. Reddick was a huge dud. Hill stuck around for a few years and was at least entertaining to watch. The only trade last year that made an impact at all was the trade with DC. They still have never seen Duffy on the field and McKinney is in the minors somewhere. With Castillo off of the board now, I doubt they target any other starter. Is Montas any better than any of the guys they have now? No. But, my personal opinion is with JT’s iffy back, they need a RH power bat. JD Martinez anyone? He won’t cost much and he has a lot of sock.

Bluto

OMG! I remember that crazy and silly debate about the Kemp trade.

Bumsrap

Kimbrel was good with the Blue Jays and bad with the White Sox last year. Maybe the Blue Jays would want him back. Dodgers offer Kimbrel plus a few million dollars and another player and get back someone whose ability is based on the $$ and other player going to the Jays.

That’s been my position with Kimbrel most of the year.

I’d rather watch Joc make outs than watch Max make outs. However, the Dodgers would be better giving Drury Max’s at-bats. Dodgers tend to struggle against lefties and having Trace and Drury in the lineup instead of Cody and Max against lefties would seem to be a good idea. I’m glad Friedman reads here so he can benefit from my musings.

Make Ferguson the closer but let May or Miller or Pepiot finish games where they come into the 7th inning.

Singing the Blue

Twitter says we’re getting Chris Martin from the Cubs. How that improves our bullpen is beyond me, but maybe Jeff can enlighten me.

No word on who is going back the other way.

Bumsrap

Dodgers will Heaney him. Change grips and arm slot. Put him on IL then bring him up later in the season.

Singing the Blue

The Cubs are getting McKinstry.
Good for him. At least he’ll play there.

Sam Oyed

“Martin has yet to hit a batter”. Like that’s been the problem with the bullpen?

Bumsrap

Maybe negotiations are Continuing.

Bumsrap

Mercy trade. I like it.

Last edited 4 months ago by Bumsrap
Singing the Blue

Possible explanations for the trade:
1) Just wanted to do Zmac a favor
2) Guys with two first names are given an extra 0.5 WAR by Fangraphs.
3) Now AF can hold a press conference on Aug 3rd and say “what do you mean I didn’t add anyone at the deadline?”
4) We are now short one extra lefty hitting outfielder so this makes it easier to justify trading our 12 best prospects for Soto.

Singing the Blue

Or he may go right back to OKC when CT3 is activated shortly.
Since they need to carry 13 position players, who are the other possibilities?
DFA Lamb? Unlikely.
DFA Trayce? Definitely not.
Trade Belli? Maybe 1% chance
Max to IL? This is the correct answer but apparently not one that the front office is OK with.

Bumsrap

One more. Showcasing Outman. Let’s see if he plays or sits.

Bumsrap

No, but it would give an interested team a peek at him against ML pitching.

Bluto

As the great Sam Miller once wrote:

Great trade for the Rays! Who did they get? Who did they give up?

Badger

Chris Martin. He’s tall. That’s all.

Peralta. Who cares.

Outman. May run into one in the few at bats he gets.

Still waiting for something significant.

Bumsrap

Cody might be a little concerned. Trace/ James platoon in Cf would match Cody’s defence.

Badger

I just hope Outman can barrel a few.

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