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AF Has To Turn The Page On This Bullpen

June 16, 2016 – The day of the most embarrassing loss of the year.  And it is not without competition.  The Dodgers could not possibly ask for a better start than the one they got from Emmet Sheehan.   6.0 no hit innings.  Brusdar Graterol gives up a single on a 1-2 pitch to the 1st batter he faces, and then a one out 2-run HR to Wilmer Flores, also on a 1-2 pitch, about as close to middle middle as one can get.  On a 1-2 pitch????  How does that happen?  I may be in the minority here, but I am not much of a Brusdar Graterol fan.

Why Victor Gonzalez, Tayler Scott, and Alex Vesia are still on the 26-man, I HAVE NO BLOODY CLUE!!  How does Gonzalez and Vesia walk Luis Matos, a .200 hitter?  Gonzalez was not close on most of his pitches.  He threw 19 pitches and 7 were strikes.  How does Vesia find the plate on a pitch to Brandon Crawford on a 1-1 pitch.  These relievers have no clue where their pitch is going.  Absolutely NO COMMAND.

AF cannot continue to spin that he believes he has the right bullpen.  Doc has to say something other than…”They have to do better.”  How about a few DFAs and give MiLB pitchers a chance.  How about the executives support the starting pitchers and the position players by doing something about the continual failure of the relievers.  Why not give Bryan Hudson, Mark Washington, and Landon Knack an opportunity.  Can they really do worse than who is pitching now?  I understand why Grove was optioned over Scott, but maybe the Dodgers could have done better with Ferguson coming in earlier and leaving Scott in the pen.  Scott has appeared in 6 games, and has not had one clean inning yet.  That is not acceptable.

Sheehan has earned a second start, and the Dodgers should not consider Grove again in a starting role until Sheehan has proven he cannot continue to be effective.  Might as well try Grove in a relief role.  Once Julio Urías returns to the rotation, Sheehan should remain with the team in a relief role.  It is time to admit that the plan to keep the 2022 relievers in tact except Shelby Miller over Craig Kimbrel did not work.

Adjust the thinking and try to stay relevant until Daniel Hudson returns and the deadline provides opportunities.  The DBacks are not going away, and apparently neither are the Giants.  The Dodgers are now tied with Miami for the #1 WC, and the Giants are only 1.5 games behind both teams.  Philadelphia is now 3.0 GB the Dodgers, and Cincinnati and Pittsburgh are now 4 games behind LAD.

Don’t tell me that the Dodgers are clearly better than either the Pirates, Phillies or Reds,  They certainly did not show it when LAD played them head to head.

The Dodgers are 5-8 in June.  7 of the 8 losses had the relief pitcher with the loss.  Quit with the spin.  That is not acceptable.

Hopefully when I get on the Ship on Saturday afternoon, I can forget about this one.  This one is hard. By the time we get to our room, I hope there will be a change in the bullpen.  Can this team really wait 6 weeks for the bullpen to turn the page?

 

 

 

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Jeff

Lousy way to start your Holiday. I never had a good feeling about this team. We’ve got some good hitters and a whole lot of question marks for the rest. We’ve got some good starting pitchers but most of them are injured. We’ve got a worn out bullpen with no plan behind it. This team is unprepared for the playoffs in spite of some of our stars. Most of our rookies look green. Busch and Deluca have not really helped except provide warm bodies who can field, like Barnes. Doc hasn’t a clue and still can’t manage a bullpen. Perhaps AF has peaked. It’s a corporate affair, mostly.

Sam Oyed

With a bullpen thus bad does it matter who manages this bullpen?

Jeff

Yes!

Oldbear48

Well lets just say Graterol started the ball rolling. Gonzalez and Vesia blew it. And the offense had numerous chances in the last 3 innings to win it. And especially in the 11th when Mookie made his second running blunder of the game.

Bumsrap

Sheehan was fun to watch. Freeman, Rojas, and Betts made great plays. Outman with 2 opposite field hits and a clutch hit.

Giants are good.

Jeff

Would you have taken him out with a no hitter going?

Bumsrap

Yes. It is doubtful he gets the no hitter and this way he is a much more confident pitcher.

Badger

5 runs is just not enough. With our pitching we have to score 8? That won’t work.

Time to make some moves, but, we’ve already got 6 rookies out there. Add more? Yeah, maybe so. We’ve got 6 starters and 5 relievers on the IL. Nobody but rookies left to call on.

It would appear, for the time being, this is who we are.

Gulp.

Bumsrap

Giants have made their move with rookies.

Oldbear48

Giants rookies better than ours……..at least so far. Busch looked over matched. Outman at least contributed. DeLuca, Vargas, not so much.

Sam Oyed

Jeff,

Wishing you fair winds and following seas. Enjoy your vacation.

nonicnamebumfan

What a crying shame. These are the kind of things that have caused dissension for some teams in the past (Bullpen). Things can start to fester
Roberts’ is known for being a players manager and handling the clubhouse,but he’s never had a situation like this before.

Last edited 8 months ago by nonicnamebumfan
Dave

When Urias returns we’ll have him, Kershaw, Gonsolin,Miller and Sheehan. Re the bullpen they might get Hudson back doon. Can they depend on minor leaguers to replace guys? Thats a guess so then they need to go out and get 1 or 2 proven pitchers. Use them to replace the 3 worst relievers we have

Bobby

Enjoy your cruise, Jeff! I’ve never been on a boat ride longer than LA to Catalina, so a cruise has been on my bucket list for a while now.

Badger

I’ve been cruising since 2003. Don’t need a boat. Don’t want one.

A lot of chatter around blogs, mostly about our bullpen and what to do. A few creative ideas, one not so creative is “fire Prior!” Poetic maybe, but dumb. It’s not any coaches fault the pitchers can’t hit their spots, nor is it the manager’s fault for putting them in there expecting them to do what they are paid to do.

So what now? Beats me. Just keep hoping we can score 8 I guess.

Last edited 8 months ago by Badger
OhioDodger

Hope you have a great cruise Jeff.

Very disappointing performance last night. The bullpen definitely needs a huge makeover. Still striking out too much. 26% last night. And Mookie’s boneheaded base running was just the cherry on the shit sundae we were served last night for dessert after a wonderful entree by Sheehan. Not a fun team to watch right now.

Last edited 8 months ago by OhioDodger
tedraymond

Jeff D I feel your crankiness. I didn’t watch the game, but by the end of the season will be one of the most frustrating losses of the year. It’s like the Dodgers left midway through the game and someone else showed up. You know….people who can’t play or know baseball.

I read comments about Taylor and Peralta getting injured. And watch a video of Rojas pull a hammy sliding into home. So, I went to the MLB.com’s Juan Toribio column to find out some details on their injuries. Nothing. I think he wrote the article from home. He went on and on about Sheehan’s performance and Roberts reaction to it. Sheehan’s performance was obviously warranted, but there’s a video of Roberts’ post game thoughts right below his article. Aboslutely nothing about the BP diaster or the mindless plays made by several Dodger players late in the game. This guy is a journalist? Sad

So, can anyone give me some info on the injuries to Taylor, Peralta, and Rojas? I would appreciate it. If both Rojas and Taylor are down the team is in a world of hurt. It’s one the negatives of having such an old roster. The experience is valuable only when it’s able to be on the field. Blaming no one. Just saying.
I guess Mookie plays SS for several games if necessary. A position lineup might look like this:

C – Smith
1B- Freeman
2B- Vargas
SS- Betts
3B- Busch
LF- LaDuca
CF- Outman
RF- Heyward
DH- Martinez

So, four rookies and a veteran who are having offensive issues. Yikes.
Things could be heading south short term if this BP doesn’t get it’s shit together.
Carry on.

Bumsrap

Taylor was said to have soreness in one of his knees.

I like that lineup Ted. Let’s see what it can do until some of the injured players return. AS of the last couple of days, Outman is a better hitter than Taylor and Muncy.

Badger

How good would we be if we were playing 7 inning games?

“Play good defense and don’t make dumb mistakes”. Some brilliant poster mentioned that a few days ago. Dumb mistakes are commonplace with this club.

Don’t know about more injuries. If so, I agree it presents even more problems. Taylor can play short. I don’t want Betts there. He’s got enough to think about.

I wonder if Freeman needs a few days off.

I believe we need offense from all the rookies to score 8. That’s a huge ask. Impossible? No. Improbable? Probably.

Last edited 8 months ago by Badger
Bumsrap

The Dodger dumb plays were only possible because the Giants set them up with dumb plays but the Giants still won.

Singing the Blue

We probably wouldn’t be any better playing 7 inning games.
Doc would just pull his starters after 4 innings, in order to save them for the playoffs and to get his bullpen extra work so they could stay sharp.

Oldbear48

DeLuca Ted, the other guy is retired.

tedraymond

Even at your age Bear I can’t get anything by you. LOL. It was DeLuca in my brain but went to LaDuca by the time it got to my fingers. It something I’m getting used to.
Thanks for the help.

Last edited 8 months ago by tedraymond
Oldbear48

I am as sharp as a dull knife. But I got that one. Dodgers played to a mostly empty stadium, Over 2000 protestors at the gates. I think they were bit by Kharma.

Badger

What’s a kharma?

Mostly empty? Over 49,000 paid.

Oldbear48

They announce the paid attendance always. Doesn’t mean there were 49000 actually in the house. The actual attendance was closer to 30000. I have seen 49000 and that was not that large a crowd.

Oldbear48

Kharma is the way us old folks spell it. I know it is really spelled Karma, I just enjoy being different.

Badger

I’m old too you know. Older than you by several weeks.

I don’t believe 19,000 ducked out of a giants Dodgers game out of protest. Makes no sense.

Singing the Blue

So much negativity here today. Relax folks.
Enjoy the good stuff (Sheehan, Miller, etc.) and wait out the bad.

The D’backs have been playing fantastic ball and they’re only 3 ahead of us.
The Padres spent money like the had the key to Ft Knox and they’re 5.5 games behind us.

We have 11 guys on the 60-day IL and 4 on the 10/15 day IL and those 4 might soon be joined by any or all of Peralta, Rojas and CT3.

The Braves, Nats and Phillies all got off to starts like this, or worse, within the last few years and all came back to win the WS.

We got this! No problem! It’s in the bag!
Tippecanoe and Tyler too………………oh, sorry, it’s early for campaign slogans.

By the way, Jeff, you were upset that Vgon and Vesia walked Luis Matos, whom you described as a .200 hitter. That stat was accumulated over 5 at bats. When he was in the minors this year, in 223 at bats, he had a batting avg of .350 with an OPS of .976. He was probably one of the 2 or 3 best hitters in the Giants lineup last night. Doesn’t excuse walking him but he’s a pretty good hitter.

Enjoy your cruise. Keep your eyes open. Maybe you can find us a relief pitcher out there.

Bumsrap

Good post Blue.

Wasn’t the reason Matos was on the active roster was because Hanigar was recently injured.

Lots of games to play. Might playing a season where four teams are competing for a Division title be fun to watch?

Maybe this kind of year will finally result in Muncy and Taylor being traded.

Last edited 8 months ago by Bumsrap
Singing the Blue

Wait a minute, Fred. Now you getting rid of Taylor also?
Probably not the best time to trade those guys while they’re injured.

Once they get healthy, they’re going to love it in KC.

Badger

KC won’t pay those guys.

Yep, long way to go. If we keep playing at 4-6, while our competitors play at 7-3 and 8-2, I figure by the deadline we’ll be right where they want us to be.

Singing the Blue

So you’re telling me that we can’t get Witt Jr for those 2 guys?
C’mon Badger, Bums has been working really hard on that deal.

Oldbear48

Matos was called up simply because Haniger went down. We couldn’t get a bag of used balls for Muncy and Taylor.

Badger

Methinks you underestimate the value of 2+ WAR players.

Badger

Yeah, I know. Fred has his mind made up on several of the trade ideas he comes up with. Out of the box, that’s for sure. KC will hang on to Witt for a few more years.

We’ll get a few new faces when the time comes. I doubt they will be stars.

Bumsrap

Play fair guys. I may not like what we got back for M&T and nix the trade. Witt would require a 3 or 4 team trade.

Badger

4 teams? Would love to see the blueprint on that trade.

Witt isn’t even arb eligible until ‘25. We need pitchers. Work your magic for some late inning stoppers, AND an innings eater. You can use anybody but Miller. And Sheehan. And Nastrini. Cartaya. Frasso.

OhioDodger

Uggggggggggh!!

Last edited 8 months ago by OhioDodger
Badger

This team has become unwatchable.

Singing the Blue

Is this where we say “it can only get better from here”?
Or is that what we said last night?

Badger

Both Arizona and SF are currently better than us. Our rookies aren’t enough to compete. One at a time maybe. Not this many.

How does it get better? I don’t know. Tonight even our usually competent offense took a dump.

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