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What’s In A Number?

I do not know if any of you remember a movie called ” The Fan “. It starred Robert DeNiro and Wesley Snipes. DeNiro was the fan, and Snipes, a free agent outfielder who signs with the Giants. Problem is that the number he wore with the Braves is already taken by a Giants player who refuses to give it up.

Benicio Del Toro plays that player. Does not matter what Snipes offers the guy, he is not changing numbers. Now, what happens in the movie is that the obsessed fan ends up killing Del Toro’s character, so Snipes gets his number. Far-fetched of course, but there are some real wacko’s out there in fandom.

Just look at those two guys who beat that Giants fan so severely in the Dodger Stadium parking lot, then the fans who stabbed a Dodger fan to death in San Francisco.

I thought about this because Kiké Hernandez is back with the Dodgers. Thing is, Kiké is not going to get his # 14 back. The reason is simple, the number was retired last season when Gil Hodges was finally inducted into the Hall of Fame. Long overdue honor. And I sincerely doubt Gil’s family would be ok with Kiké wearing it.

Doesn’t matter, he is going to get # 8. Also got me thinking about players and their sometimes obsession with wearing the same number throughout their baseball career.

Manny Ramirez wore # 24 in Cleveland and when he went to the Red Sox. He gets traded to the Dodgers and low and behold, he can’t have 24. It is retired for Walter Alston. To Manny’s credit, he went way out of the box and asked for 99.

After he was claimed by the White Sox, he also wore 99 in Chicago. At his next stop, Tampa Bay, he got his beloved 24 back again. Kiké could not get 14 in Boston, so he wore # 5. JT is # 2 in Boston. Jansen has been able to keep his # 74 in Atlanta and in Boston.

I am in the minority maybe, but I do not think pitchers should have single digit uni numbers. When he first came up, Urias wore #78. I do not know what the connection is with him and the number seven, but when he was called up to stay, he switched to seven. When I have the time, and glasses strong enough for me to read the small print, I am going to look in my old Dodger Media Guide and see how many pitchers in Dodger history have worn a single digit number.

Trea Turner wore 7 in DC. Had to wear 6 in LA since Urias had it. He has his 7 back in Philadelphia. When did numbers on uni’s start?

The earliest use of numbers on the uniform dates back to 1907 when the Reading Red Roses of the Atlantic League placed numbers on their players so the fans could identify them. They are credited as such by the Hall of Fame museum.

The first major league team to number their uniforms was the Cleveland Indians. On June 26th, 1916, the Indians took the field in their home park with numbers on the sleeve of their uniforms.

The experiment was tried for a few weeks and then again the next season before being abandoned. In 1923 the Cardinals put numbers on their sleeves, but their players were ridiculed by other teams and were taken off.

In 1929, both the Yankees and the Indians were scheduled to wear numbers on the backs of their uniforms on opening day. The Yankees game was postponed, but the Indians played their game becoming the first team to wear numbers on the back of the uniform.

The Yankees used a very simple way to number their players at first. They wore a number that showed where they hit in the batting order. That is how Babe Ruth became # 3 and Gehrig # 4.

Numbers were not universally used in both leagues until 1937 when the Philadelphia A’s became the last team to adopt the practice.

The Dodgers were the first to adopt putting a number on the front of their jerseys. They were going to do it if they appeared in the 1951 World Series, but Thompson’s homer squashed that.

Not all teams wear numbers on the front of the uniform now. But several do. Dodgers, Mets, Cubs, Reds, Cardinals, Astros, Pirates.

The Dodgers number on the front is red. They wanted it to stand out from the rest of the uniform. The Phillies were the only team who wore the number on the sleeve of the uni and they discontinued that in 2022 with the adoption of sponsors on uniform sleeves.

Placing the players’ names on the back of the uniforms was first done by the White Sox in 1960. It is almost universal in baseball now, with a few notable exceptions.

Yankees home pinstripes, Boston’s home whites. The Dodgers removed the names for a season or so in the early 2000’s. But they have been back for a long time now. Ichiro is probably the only player who used his first name on the back of his uniform rather than his last.

Some weird facts about players wanting their favorite number. When he joined the Blue Jays, Rickey Henderson paid Turner Ward, yeah, the former Dodger hitting coach, $25,000 to give him # 24.

When Brian Jordan joined the Braves, he bought coach Fredi Gonzalez a Harley-Davidson motorcycle for # 33. Juan Pierre bought then Dodger manager, Grady Little a motorcycle for # 9.

When Wild Thing Mitch Williams joined the Phillies, he gave John Kruk 10 bucks and two cases of beer for his #28. Roger Clemens tried to get # 21 from Paul O’Neil but O’Neil refused so Clemens took # 12,

Joe Beimel took number # 97 because his first child was born in 1997.

Some very interesting moves. I do know one thing for sure, Amed Rosario will not be getting his # 1. Seems it is retired for a guy named Reese.

 

07-28-2023 – MiLB Game Summary Report

by Jeff Dominique

 

OKC Dodgers 14 – Reno Aces (Arizona) 12

The Dodgers jumped out to a 7-1 lead after 2.5.  Arizona scored 7 off Matt Andriese in the bottom of the 3rd to take a 8-7 lead.  In this slugfest in Reno, OKC scored the next 7, and Reno scored the next 4.  There were 34 hits, 18 by OKC and 16 by Reno.  All OKC hitters had at least 1 hit, and all but 3 had at least 2.  OKC had 5 doubles and 4 HR.

Key Performers:

  • Michael Busch – 4-6, 2 runs, 3 RBI, 2 doubles (19) HR (16)
  • Kole Calhoun – 3-5, 3 runs, 4 RBI, 2 HR (5)
  • Drew Avans – 2-5, 1 BB, 1 run, 1 RBI
  • Miguel Vargas – 2-4, 1 BB, 3 runs, 1 RBI, double (4), HR (3)
  • Hunter Feduccia – 2-4, 1 BB, 1 run
  • David Dahl – 2-4, 1 BB, 2 runs, 1 RBI, 2 doubles (15)

Busch is now batting .313/.431/.581/1.012.  19 doubles, 3 triples, 16 HR, K rate down to 19.6%.  Why doesn’t Busch have a MLB job?

Kole Calhoun is now batting .305/.387/.545/.932, 16 doubles, 5 triples, 9 HR, K rate is 17.4%.  Somebody has to want to give him another shot, right?

 

Box Score

 

Springfield Cardinals 7 – Tulsa Drillers 2

Springfield scored 7 in the 3.2 IP by Nick Frasso.  Frasso allowed 5 hits, including a 2 run HR in the 3rd, and 3 BB.  Trevor Bettencourt, Ben Harris, and Ricky Vanasco pitched the final 5.1 innings with 1 hit and no runs.

Tulsa 2 runs came via a 2-out 2-run HR from Kody Hoese.  Hoese also singled and drew a walk to reach 3 times.

 

Box Score

 

Great Lakes Loons 7 – Dayton Dragons (Reds) 6

In a back and forth game, in the 4th, the Dragons scored 4 to take a 5-2 lead.  In the bottom of the 4th, GL scored five to retake the lead 7-5.  Luis Yanel Diaz led off with a BB, and Kenneth Bettencourt singled.  That was followed by a pair of doubles by Chris Alleyne (13) and Jake Vogel (14).  One out later, Alex Freeland slugged a 2-run HR (6).

The Dragons scored one in the 9th on 2 HBP and 2 BB.

Bettencourt was the only Loon to have 2 hits.  Yeiner Fernandez also had a double (12).

 

Box Score

 

Rancho Cucamonga Quakes 10 – San Jose Giants 4

The two teams scored all of their runs in the first 4 innings.  RC broke it open with 5 in the 4th and a 10-4, that turned out to be the final score.

Peter Heubeck pitched 5 innings allowing all 4 runs (3 earned).  Jonathan Edwards, Garrett McDaniels, and Madison Jeffrey pitched the final 4 scoreless innings without a hit.

Key Performers:

  • Thayron Liranzo – 2-5, 2 runs, 3 RBI, double (12), HR (16)
  • Luis Rodriguez – 2-4, 1 run, 1 RBI
  • Wilman Diaz – 2-4, 1 run, 2 RBI
  • Jose Izarra – 1-4, 1 BB, 3 runs, 1 RBI, double (16)

 

Box Score

 

 

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Scott Andes

Baseball players can be superstitious

Scott Andes

Here’s what I’m seeing from the rotation and bullpen and you guys tell me if you’re seeing the same thing. Just putting out some thoughts here.

Kershaw-the only starter who can pitch past the 5th inning. Still super effective. Gets swings and misses, gives hitters different looks.

Urias- looks out of shape. Maybe its the tv putting on extra pounds but it looks like he’s put on 10-15 pounds and its effecting his stamina. He looks out of breath more than usual. Looks like he’s struggling out there. His pitches have no zip on them anymore, less movement. Watch him during the 2020 world series compared to this year.

Gonsolin-fragile, not a starter but has good stuff. Better as a reliever. Not a postseason pitcher, over 9 era in playoffs

Grove-horrendous but would like to see him in the bullpen. Has one good pitch. Needs to develop secondary pitches.

Sheehan-called up too early I’m guessing. Hes getting knocked around like a punching bag. Will probably have to go back to the minors for a while

Miller-great stuff, poor sequencing, too many mistake pitches. Loads of potential.

One thing I’ve noticed is there are way too many non-competitive pitches thrown from all of them. Why else would they be at 90 pitches by the 5th inning? Too many 3 ball counts. Too much trying to get guys to chase. Especially for Miller, go after these guys. Challenge the hitters. Miller throws 100, too much nibbling. Also would help to give the hitters different looks.

Not enough swings and misses from the relievers. No ground ball specialist. No multi-inning or long man. Ferguson, and Graterol are pitching very well. Phillips is great. Almonte and Bickford still suck. Vesia has improved.

Need 1 more starter at least and probably another reliever. The offense can’t score 8-10 runs per game.

Last edited 8 months ago by Scott Andes
Oldbear48

Last night was Almonte’s worst outing in well over a month. He had dropped his ERA almost 2 runs over this stretch of being very good, so he does not suck. In his last 15 games, his ERA is 1.93. He had a terrible start to the season but has pitched much better.

Badger

12 hits, 8 BB. 3 for 13 WRISP. We have to do better with runners on.

Miller got the L but Almonte blew it.

Kershaw hasn’t gone more than 5 in over a month. No guarantee he will in the next 3 months. We are all hopeful, but, in the meantime we still need pitching.

I wore 7 until Colt League. You know why Bear. Several numbers after that, none all that memorable.

I think Busch will be traded and there is now no room for Vargas. Too bad about that. Our ROY candidate fell out of his chair.

Oldbear48

My first year on the high school team, they gave me # 1. Next season, I got # 32.

Badger

Pee Wee and Jim Brown?

Oldbear48

Sandy

Badger

Sandy Brown?

Never heard of him.

Oldbear48

Your hilarious.

Bumsrap

….”Kershaw hasn’t gone more than 5 in over a month.” — Wow, he’s been on the IL that long?

Jeff

Outman is still sitting in his.

Scott Andes

Sorry Bear, but he stinks. He’s a minor league pitcher.

Oldbear48

Your opinion which at this point I totally disagree with. He didn’t pitch like a minor leaguer last season. He was one of their better relievers all year. Everybody has a bad game now and then.

Jeff Dominique

You beat the devil out of me for hyperbole. And that is not easy. You cannot possibly beleive that Yency Almonte is a MiLB pitcher. Did he have a rough start to the year? Yes. Do you know why? I doubt it. But whatever the reason, Almonte has righted his ship. Since May 18 when his ERA hit 9.00, before last night, Yency appeared in 25 games, 24.2 IP, 1.09 ERA, 6 BB against 29 K. That is almost 5:1 K:BB. None of that is MiLB.

Last year, for all pitchers with more than 30 IP, Almonte had the best ERA in MLB. 35.1 IP, 1.02 ERA and 0.79 WHIP.

There has been a decline not only in SP but also RP. The 4 best LAD relievers last year with over 30 IP:

  • Yency Almonte – 35.1 IP, 1.02 ERA, 0.79 WHIP
  • Evan Phillips – 63.0 IP, 1.14 ERA, 0.76 WHIP (Best ERA in MLB for pitcher with more than 50 IP.
  • Caleb Ferguson – 33.2 IP, 1.87 ERA, 1.19 WHIP
  • Alex Vesia – 54.1 IP, 2.15 ERA, 1.12 WHIP

The regression from last year to this year is very telling. It is not Almonte. It is a team wide regression in both SP and RP.

Scott Andes

I beat the devil out of you for hyperbole? Not at all, and was never my intention. I’m just calling things like I see them.

In reality, Almonte is pitching to his career norms. His career ERA is 4.49 and his career FIP is 4.52. Over 4.5 runs per nine innings. One season (35 innings) does not make him a good pitcher. Not like he was some phenom too, a 17th round draft pick discarded by the Colorado Rockies. The Rockies a team always desperate for pitching.

Sorry but he’s not good and will continue to pitch poorly. If I’m wrong and I hope I am, then I will admit it.
My apologies for my brutal honesty.

Oldbear48

And your total disregard for the stats that are readily available? He pitched in Coors Field for 4 years. His ERA with Colorado was 5.30 In his 2 seasons at LA it is 3.22. He is a lot better than you give him credit for. Bickford was DFA’d today to make room for Kelly.

Bumsrap

….”Miller-great stuff, poor sequencing,” ?Who makes up the game plan and who is calling the pitches? I don’t think it’s Miller.

Jeff Dominique

There is a game plan, and there is execution. I do not think you can tell which is which unless you are charting every pitch.

Oldbear48

I expect to see the Dodgers stay active in the trade market. There is interest in Keller of the Pirates and a couple of other starting pitchers. Pirates would want a nice package back. There have also been stories that they have an interest in Pham or Canha. I can’t see that. Joe was saying last night that Rosario is also going to see time at second base and center field. He has never played second base, but he has logged some time in center field. He said he feels comfortable out there. Betts will continue to play second against RHP.

Badger

Keller might work.

Rosario looks like a baller. We don’t need anymore infielders.

“His results have been trash but he’s still not terrible.” A rival scout on Lynn. He’s got an high K rate and excellent results against RHP. And apparently Kelly has added added velocity, high 90s with excellent results on his slider and curve, getting shelled on his sinker. The Dodgers believe they can get better results from both these guys with a couple tweaks. Hope so.

Bobby

Wow, seems Kody Hoese had another good game. Good to see

tedraymond

Bobby, it’s nice to have you keep the name Kody Hoese alive on this board. Truly a forgotten first round pick who seems to be turning things around.

As Vinny would say “to those who belong to the Kody Hoese marching and chowder society…..”

Bobby

You know, part of keeping up with Hoese is because a while back, I think it was Jeff who mentioned that we took Kody Hoese over 2 MLB Top 5 prospects in Volpe and Gunner Henderson (I think Busch was even taken over 1 or both of those prospects).

Granted every team in every draft in every year misses on guys, but it sucks when your first round pick hasn’t done much, and the guys taken right after him are top 5 prospects. So hopefully for him, and for us, Hoese is figuring things out and showing off why he was a 1st round pick.

Badger

Package Hoese. He needs a new place to live

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Bumsrap

Remember when Lux was praising Kody’s hitting skills?

Badger

I don’t. I haven’t heard anybody say anything about him.

nonicnamebumfan

I remember Lux praising McKinstry’s skills

Dionysus

Hoese before bros

Dionysus

Terrible movie

tedraymond

An OK outing by Bobby Miller last night. He seems to have at least one bad inning per game lately. He did a nice job of locking things down though even if he threw too many pitches in five innings to do so. It’s all part of the learning curve for Miller. He has had tremendous run support in his previous outings. The Dodgers came up a little bit short offensively along with Almonte’s terrible performance. Let’s hope that was a one off for Yency. He’s been so good recently.

CT3 looked like a little leaguer running the bases last night.

Nice start for new Dodger Amed Rosario. It was nice to get some offense out of the SS position. His speed will also be helpful.

Freddie has to be the NL MVP. Right?

Lance Lynn. Please, make me regret my thoughts on the trade that brought you here.

And with the return of Joe Kelly. I really don’t think it’s possible for him to justify a spot in the BP. As inconsistent as Bickford has been this year how is Kelly considered an improvement? I really don’t get the Kelly acquisition. Unless, AF was forced to take him in order to make the trade happen. Hope for the best.
Carry on.

Bumsrap

If you were referencing Taylor getting thrown out at home then yes I agreed with you at first but then I wondered if he had to run due to Rojas getting trapped between first and second when Taylor held at third and the throw in went to first instead of home. Taylor holding at third was probably on Ebbel.

Sam Oyed

It looked like Rojas made a bad base running decision and got caught between 1st and 2nd. At that point it was worth Taylor trying to score. Taylor’s mistake was trying for second on his bloop hit. That one was on him. Unfortunately, the Dodgers ran the Sout of two innings where they could have scored.

Jeff Dominique

That was all on Rojas. He thought there was going to be a play at the plate and committed to 2B before the cutoff was made. Now if Dino would have sent CT home, then Rojas would not have been caught in no man’s land. I have no way of knowing if CT could have scored, but I kind of doubt it.

Now CT getting thrown out a 2B after a leadoff bloop single was a mistake. Yes the ball did bounce right into the CF’s glove, but Taylor should not have been anticipating a ball on the ground rather than bouncing into a glove. I do not like excuses. Orel saying it took a perfect bounce right into the glove. Without that, CT is safe. He did come back and say that it was probably the wrong situation to be that aggressive. Base running mistake. They happen. I am not going to say that the Dodgers should take more chances on the bases, and then when they do and it does not work out, get upset about it.

I cannot help it. I prefer aggressive baseball.

Badger

According to the Times, if Kelly doesn’t throw his sinker for a strike, he might do just fine. And, Lynn, according to an unnamed scout, isn’t terrible. With these glowing reports, these two just might help push the bus across the finish line.

Last edited 8 months ago by Badger
Jeff

He adds excitement. You never know what he’s going to give you.

Scott Andes

effectively wild

Bumsrap

Amed Rosario had a good game yesterday.

Badger

Yes. Yes he did.

Dionysus

Amen

OhioDodger

Why is Muncy playing against lefties? Should have played Outman in the outfield and Taylor at 3B.

Badger

“Because Muncy will be traded and he needs practice against LHP”. The voice in Fred’s head.

tedraymond

Ah yes…the all knowing voice. Lol

Bumsrap

It’s amazing what one can do with a little tin foil.

Badger

I made a functional hash pipe out of tin foil in the 60’s. Never thought to put it on my head.

Jeff Dominique

With respect to Kody Hoese, I was never enamored with him. IMO, a first round pick must have a high ceiling. He could have a low floor, but he must for a high ceiling. And Kody Hoese never had that. I am also a Baseball Conference snob. The SEC, ACC, Big 10, and PAC 12 have the most history and draw the best prospects. Occasionally a conference like the Big West will have formidable baseball teams (Cal State Fullerton, Cal State Long Beach, and Cal Poly SLO). But overall the conference is not strong. 

Hoese is a Tulane alum, which is in The American Athletic Conference (AAC). The AAC (not to be confused with ACC) is not a baseball power house, and players can dominate in that conference, but not be as successful in the SEC. Then again, good/great players do come out of those conferences. 

Kody went off as a junior in 2019. He was also older as a collegian. However, a 1.265 OPS is something  a team must consider. 

It is hard to follow high school kids for an upcoming draft. College kids are much easier to follow. Gunnar Henderson was identified as a high school SS who could be around at the LAD pick on draft day very early on, and I started to follow him. BA always has good info on HS players.

As a senior, he was named the Alabama state player of the year after batting . 559 with 17 doubles, nine triples, 11 home runs, 69 runs scored and 75 RBIs while stealing 32 bases.  He was also an Auburn commit. Yes, SEC. What is not to like?

Henderson was just not a baseball player. He was an exceptional high school athlete. He was also named the Alabama Independent School Association Player of the Year in basketball after 17 points and 11 rebounds per game.

I was on the Gunnar Henderson train early on, but I did not think he would last to #25. Others I was hoping would fall, but did not: George Kirby, RHP, to Seattle (20), Braden Shewmake, SS, to Atlanta (21), Daniel Espino, RHP, to Cleveland (24). The Dodgers took Kody Hoese at 25. They were obviously intrigued by his power potential.

I was NEVER on the Anthony Volpe train. Not that I did not like him. I did not know him. He was never on my radar. 

I believe that I have been on three HS SS for the Dodgers since really following the draft, and the Dodgers got 1…Corey Seager. The other two were Bo Bichette and Gunnar Henderson.

Singing the Blue

Boy, it would sure be nice to have Henderson at shortstop for the Blue right now. Oh well, you win a few, you lose a few.

I guess by the time Tuesday rolls around we may have traded off a number of our young pitchers. I wonder if there is any chance, assuming we don’t use them all on immediate needs, that we send one or more of them to the Reds or O’s for one or more of their excess middle infielders.

Bumsrap

If you are going to wonder why not aim higher?

Badger

I wonder how other teams might value Vargas and Cartaya.

I’m still not convinced St Louis will be sellers, especially their perennial All Star third baseman, but I think it’s possible they might trade 2 of Montgomery, Flaherty and Hicks. I also think the Mets could trade Verlander.

Sheehan, Pepiot, Grove, Vargas, Cartaya, Stone and Busch. And Muncy. With all of that we get 2 starters, a lock down reliever and who knows, maybe even Arenado.

Singing the Blue

I really don’t see the Dodgers trading Vargas yet. Everyone else on your list is a definite possibility in the right deal.

I don’t expect Arenado to arrive in the next few days. I read where he said he preferred to stay in St Louis, but I’m wondering if that was partially to spare his family the agony of moving at a moment’s notice. He might be more receptive this winter and if we get him, that’s when I expect it will happen.

Jeff Dominique

Apparently the Dodgers assumed 100% of the Lance Lynn and Joe Kelly remaining contract amounts. Depending on which publication you believe, the Dodgers could be reaching their AAV ceiling without incurring a loss of 10 spots in the 1st round of the 2024 draft ($273MM). The loss of 10 spots in the draft undoubtedly hurt the team in 2023, as they lost out on all of the players they were hoping for between #26 and #36.

Here are the three publications:
·      Cots – $266MM
·      Spotrac – $259MM
·      Roster Resource – $252MM

Once the trade deadline comes and goes, I will see if I can locate why there is such disparity. 

I am sure that if there was a player that AF/BG believed was the difference between winning a WS and just getting to the playoffs, they would convince the owners that it was a good investment…even with the loss of 10 spots in the draft. I am not certain that they believe that Nolan Arenado is that player. I just do not know who that it is. Nolan Arenado and Justin Verlander are two players that AF has always wanted, so they are always going to be considerations. I have trouble believing either one will be wearing Dodger Blue on Wednesday.

Get Jordan Montgomery, Jack Flaherty, and Jordan Hicks, stay under $273MM, and call it a trade deadline.  

Bumsrap

Just don’t bail out the Mets.

Dionysus

Lolmets

Oldbear48

Rangers and Mets in agreement on a trade that would send Max Scherzer to Texas per MLBTR. Scherzer needs to waive his no-trade for the deal to go through.

Dionysus

Mets are blowing it up.

Singing the Blue

I wonder if this makes the Mets more or less likely to trade Verlander?

Oldbear48

Looks like they are talking to teams about a lot of their players. Acuna’s brother, a SS is part of the package for Scherzer.

Jeff Dominique

#1 and #2 in 2024?

Last edited 8 months ago by Jeff Dominique
Jeff Dominique

Phil Bickford has been designated for assignment to make room for Joe Kelly who has been activated. Apparently they did not want to delay the inevitable. Bickford does not have any more options. Tyson Miller still had an option, and they still chose to DFA Bickford.

Oldbear48

And he gets # 17 back. Sorry Vargas, your fate is sealed. Kelly went to In n Out and bought food for the clubhouse.

Jeff Dominique

Max Scherzer and $22MM go to Texas. Luisangel Acuña goes to NYM. Yes, Luisangel is Ronald’s younger brother. Good trade for both.

Last edited 8 months ago by Jeff Dominique
Singing the Blue

I think that number was corrected and the Mets are paying everything EXCEPT $22MM, so they are giving the Rangers something like $35MM. That’s a lot to pay for a prospect, but I guess if it’s Acuna’s brother…………………………….

Oldbear48

Scherzer trade now official per Jon Heyman. Gadzooks! Bit lightning strike on the large hill behind our building. Scared the hell out of me!!!!

Jeff Dominique

Arenado is no longer a consideration. St. Louis has removed him from any potential trade. But, Justin Verlander is a growing consideration. Fabian Ardaya says that a deal is complicated, but the Dodgers “are in position” to make the trade.

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